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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Nice bit of off topic schoolyard bullying and attacking yet another poster there to finish off the day by waterwelly etal .

    Talk about 'freedom 'but you have a problem with others who don't agree with your particular brand don't you ,ww?


    Xhomelessjazz , your contribution is as valid as anyone elses. More so imo , as there is a skew to one opinion here.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,489 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @waterwelly do not post in this thread again



  • Posts: 192 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have to say I’m in a bit of a quandary about how serious or non serious this is.

    On the one hand I’ve people pressuring me to go out and socialise and on the other hand I’ve people who seem to think I’m off my head if I do that and are laying on extreme guilt trips.

    I’m at the stage I don’t really know what the situation is anymore as there isn’t any clear information and seems to be inadequate information to make any kind of informed decisions.

    It looks like it’s rapidly drifting back at the stage where I guess my social life gets parked for yet another year.

    It’s a virus. There’s no point in blaming it for behaving as it does, but it’s just becoming extremely frustrating.

    I’m finding myself wondering do I sign up for the gym again, or will I be wasting my money … yet again. Is it reasonable to organise a night out for a few people … I don’t know anymore and I genuinely don’t have sufficient information to make any kind of informed decision on it.

    It just still feels like … sigh! I don’t know. Between this and Russia / Ukraine. I hate the 2020s. Really absolutely hate them. Never in my entire life thought I would live through such a bizarre set of circumstances. It’s just like one dystopian mess to another and it’s all streamed into the palm of your hand with endless notifications from news sites, Twitter, etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Looks like they aren’t going to give up, obviously trying to prevent the legislation from expiring. I actually have nothing against mask wearing i use them for work as i’m exposed to a lot of the public but i do have a problem with other people dictating what i should do and not do. If they get their way with this what else will they want!?? From RTE:

    “”Organisations representing doctors and nurses

    have called on the Government to reintroduce

    some measures to tackle the spread of Covid-19.

    The Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation and

    the Irish Association for Emergency Medicine have

    called on ministers to revisit measures, such as

    wearing masks indoors and in congregated settings

    and working from home.””



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    There'd never be any end to demands for restrictions if they got their way today

    There's an avalanche of pressure and they'd be back at Christmas for flu season

    Public could end up wearing masks and WFH to solve the hospital crisis and whatever else they want to paper the cracks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    The sinister attempt by media and medical unions to keep emergency legislation through furthering mask mandates is concerning. Why is the media pushing this incessantly? There is not public support for this & the general population have moved on.

    I have yet to hear an open and honest discussion on how to reform and improve the health service, retain our trained medical personnel and extend capacity. Two years later and still nothing done to improve the health service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They expire tonight and it's a fruitless last ditch effort to get them extended. One can understand where they are coming from, in dealing with the day to day cases but this looks like it's beginning to wane and it would be beyond absurd to consider reimposing something that would not be needed in a few weeks. That said an immediate review of the isolation advice might be no bad thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Bad look from the health care unions

    Bringing back mask mandates and wfh is laughable

    “What we are asking, is that steps are taken to flatten the curve again,” he said.

    “We’re not going back to talking about the draconian restrictions. We’re talking about the relatively simple interventions of requiring people to wear masks in indoor settings and advising people to work from home where possible.”

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/healthcare-unions-call-for-masks-and-work-from-home-to-return-rate-of-covid-infections-falls-in-a-week-41505472.html

    2 years in and this is the best they can come up with



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭dominatinMC




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    They're just trying to cover up the fact that for 2 years they've invested 0 into improving the infrastructure in hospitals. Despite a global pandemic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Are you eldery or vulnerable or immuno compromised ? Are you fully vaccinated?

    Personally speaking if you are vaccinated and not vulnerable I would simply get on and live my life . I and my husband are over 65 , vaccinated and boostered and we have absolutely no intention of staying in and wasting another day of our lives . I am fully aware that covid is out there and willing to take that risk so I can live my life

    If we get it we get it and most likely will live to tell the tale so why would we waste any more time worrying ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Don't park your social life for another year. Best wait till 2030 to be totally sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    A nice little drop in hospitals this morning. From 1610 down to 1535. May the trend continue.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Decent drop in hospital numbers today and that will hopefully continue until Saturday.

    There's no doubt now that this is starting to fizzle out with no need for masks or restrictions.


    It's time to end all this nonsense talk of masks and restrictions now.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Because Covid has been extremely profitable for the media, and that's not conspiracy theory. It's quite clearly in their interest for it to continue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Yes, I generally agree with that but only by a matter of weeks. No one seems to want to have the kind of discussion about effective mask usage at any level in Ireland, even though we don't currently have supplies of the only effective administer-at-home treatment.

    I wouldn't go as far as to say it's virtue signalling, when I was last outside before I got the rona myself I noticed that many of those still wearing masks were wearing those of the respirator variety. Probably about 50% of those still bothering to do so. Maybe that's dropped since a week or two ago. And yes such individual measures are probably only going to diminish the peak of hospitalised cases somewhat and otherwise have no effect on the spread of covid (epidemiologically speaking).


    The funny thing is, Ireland has a pre-covid domestic supply of FPP2 masks and they were able to supply post-HSE orders/acquisitions since like October 2020... We could have adopted the rather successful German model since mid-2021 but it is what it is.


    I still think that having a stealth herd immunity policy without having supplies of effective treatment tablets is a daft idea and could have been easily avoided with just some modest public health efforts. But there would still be some pushback from those who feel very vulnerable / superstitious about the virus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Claire Byrne like a dog with a bone trying to get Micheal Martin to bring back mandatory mask wearing and greater wfh in support of health care unions statement this morning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    I don't recall our hospitals being overwhelmed the last two years outside of the normal winter seasons, despite the fact there was a global pandemic going on. But a lot of appointments and surgeries were cancelled so in fact it would appear that hospitals were actually quite easy places to work the last two years and the health staff actually had it easier than in the years pre-pandemic. That isn't to say anything other than that I understand why the unions and health workers are trying to shoehorn in the covid-induced practices on a more medium term basis as they have poor morale it seems and covid-era quieter jobs was a nice respite. Unfortunately, it is not the general public's fault and any sympathy they seek from the general public is lost when they try to force us via guilt and emotional manipulation to accept more covid restrictions that, quite frankly, the vast majority of us are tired of and (correctly) do not accept the link they will have to the perceived benefit they are argued to bring to the hospitals.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Jeez the drama on the radio now with MM

    Unbelievable histrionics from Claire Byrne and the unions worse than spoilt children

    Thanks be to God they made their decision and stuck to it

    I hope the ones critical of posters like me and others have seen the light today

    An unelected rabble of unions and media trying to drive us back to restrictions we don't need

    Its turning out to be a great day for Ireland and government and Freedom from tyranny



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    From a quick glance of the thread, there's an underlying trend in these posts that seem to suggest that using masks, and enforceable rules around them, were not effective to begin with. No one really comes out and says it, but it seems obvious to me.

    They definitely had a time and a place, and hopefully we don't go down the road of make your own mask or bits of plastic to protect your face again...


    We should be in a much better situation by late April too (at least as far as hospitalisation rates are concerned)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    Deeply worrying that some health professionals actually believe face coverings in community settings would do anything for incidences of covid at this point.

    No more so than the disgusting teachers unions, they haven't covered themselves in glory in the past week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Great news. I expected a meaningful drop to only begin next week (and maybe some of those in hospital were only those availing of the one effective antibody treatment, before being discharged).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Very well

    Where did the WFH come from at the last minute ?


    Is it what they threw it in at the last minute to get one of the 2 ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    @lucernarian wrote:

    From a quick glance of the thread, there's an underlying trend in these posts that seem to suggest that using masks, and enforceable rules around them, were not effective to begin with. No one really comes out and says it, but it seems obvious to me.

    Indeed. There are those who have seen the removal of restrictions as justification for their opposition to them. "If we don't need them now, then we never needed them". Which is a position so devoid of logic that I don't even know where to start. There are just some people who don't seem to understand that things have changed over time. Whether that's people still hiding out and refusing to socialise, or those still whinging about the restrictions that are now gone.

    Numbers are going to be weird for most of April. Impact (if any) from the bank holiday will be seen around now, then after next week the schools are off, then the weekend after it's Easter. Then the weather will begin to improve and the infection will slink away.

    At this point it's a waste of time fretting about any number except ICU. Which we know is going nowhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    Did the size of the virus change or something? Surely if masks were as effective as we were led to believe, the transmissibility shouldn't have been as big a factor as it was in cases rising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Viral load and the ability of the virus to attach, changed.

    That is, the volume of viral shedding from an infected individual increased, and the virus got a whole lot better at infiltrating cells.

    So not only are infected individuals wearing cloth masks shedding more infectious material into the air around them, the odds of becoming infected when exposed to that material, have gone way up.

    To the point that there is functionally no difference between wearing and not wearing a cloth mask - the viral material is so infectious, that cloth masks are unable to filter out enough to make a difference. This was not the case with previous variants.

    Think about it like any gaseous material. For example, if the fatal level of sulphur in the air is 5ppm, then at 3-5ppm wearing a cloth mask over your face may be the difference between life and death.

    But above that it doesn't matter if the level is 10ppm or 100ppm in the air; a cloth mask will not save you. You ded.

    The same applies here. Cloth masks won't stop you getting covid, they might (at best) just reduce the initial severity of it.



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  • Posts: 192 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sorry I asked! I have had people laying extremely heavy guilt trips on me anytime I organise anything or go anywhere.

    If I do stuff - criticism. If I don’t do stuff criticism.

    I’ve a number of vulnerable relatives who I can’t just stop calling into, one of them really needs the social support, so I’m just either constantly testing or avoiding my own social stuff entirely.

    On top of that I’m in near constant pain with a back problem which I can’t seem to get sorted out which means I can’t really even go for a walk for the last few months. I was aiming to go to the gym to try and deal with aspects of that.

    My office still hasn’t reopened and I think they’ve basically given up on not being 100% virtual working, so I’m permanently stuck in a bubble.

    I’m at the stage I just feel like I’m permanently stressed and it never ends. It’s like my life as I knew it just stopped in 2020.



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