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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I remember at the start of the invasion someone joking about Russian supersoldiers capturing Chernobyl and me thinking they can't just be sending the troops 'naked' into the exclusion zone, even the Russian must be taking some sort of protective measures...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    Oh look, they've put the flags on the 'opinion poles' 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Ukraine to ban the Russian Orthodox Church and nationalise their property:-




  • Posts: 25,917 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It really is gas reading the early part of the thread, almost a pity some of them can't reply any more. :P

    Am currently watching a TV show called The Americans (spoilers ahead). Set in the 80s, 2 Russian agents sent to America to start a family and blend in and be operatives for Russian intelligence. Even just the premise, I'm sure there are some people (ahem) who would say "Oh that just shows how the over-the-top fear of Russia has seeped into American culture. Of course they got the idea from people who actually did it. It's kinda normal when dealing with Russian nonsense, most of what they say and expect just doesn't pan out. Yet they're sure next time it will. Before the invasion people who warned about the build-up were war-mongers. Because letting your mate know there's a junkie coming up behind him is aggression when the junkie is Russia.

    Anyway, in the show there's an episode when Reagan is shot. Cue panic everywhere. But especially among the Russians. They firstly have to figure out if it was them who did it (since information was kept so walled) then they have to find out the president's condition and then there's suggestions of a coup because of someone else "taking power" in the White House. Between the 2 main characters the wife is convinced a coup has happened while the husband tries to convince her that America isn't the same as Russia. He's the one who's been most Americanised of course. She has a go at him asking why he thinks Americans are so pure and he says that's not his argument, just that things are different. The president was shot, the process moved along, media reports matched their sources throughout. He then says that the last couple times a Russian leader died the country was kept in the dark for weeks.

    And this is the thing, I can admit that I've been influenced by "The West". Of fuckin course I have. But when it comes to "sides", this absolute nonsense of equivalence is just that. Even recently in the thread there was something about "Hahaha the West saying that TV stations are Kremlin-controlled, what about the BBC?" as if the 2 situations are anywhere close to being equivalent.

    At the end of the day my views and opinions and very thought processes have been influenced by my life, but of course. However it's a sign of a lack of intellect with an awful lot of people who want to see "both sides" and they just can't quite get over the fact that looking at both sides doesn't mean you must give each equal weight. The Russians have been sending their poison around, they send their online poison around and they do what they like. Some guys find that oddly sexual but they can't quite put it into words so they "admire" Putin. Him swinging his dick around makes them think he's impressive and they want to see both sides.

    As I've said before in the thread, when there was a chance Poland, the Baltics and the Central European countries all jumped straight into NATO and the EU as soon as they could. I don't remember Italy or the Norwegians clamouring to get out of NATO or the EU.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    I said it before the fact you can admire Putin and spread Putin propaganda freely in western countries and the fact that you get 15 years in jail in Russia for something as innocuous as reporting the truth speaks volumes and shuts down any argument about both sides or equivalence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    "Special" Chechen forces, no doubt. Those Ukrainians seem to have given it a good wash and polish just before Kadyrov defeated them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Why the hell would Russia invade a country where the ordinary motorists do this. No wonder the Russians are getting their asses handed to them!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Just like posing outside of a petrol station in Russia,but claiming to be fighting in Ukraine



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Those aren't ordinary motorists, this was actually the final exam for students of an advanced driver training course. The lesson on how to react to an ambush on a desrted country road was even tougher and involved live rounds.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    While we call out the Russian overkill explosion looking like CGI/computer game... the above looks like CGI also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Or it's just a decal applied to one of their own vehicles or it could just be Photoshopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Well if they didn't have special needs before this assignment...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    You could say it was a "Special Driving Operation"....sorry I'll get my coat!



  • Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ukrainians will remember this for a hundred years or more. Every generation and age group has been hit hard.




  • Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No end to sanctions until they do the right thing and get rid of Putin and his cronies. Russians need to reform.


    Zero sympathy for Russians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    First of all I never implied that I was ever anything other than " amateur sitting at a keyboard " no more than yourself. Also you seem to be letting your imagination running Away with you. I never suggested "lobbing missiles into Russian residential areas". However imo Russian military targets are fair game. You ask what I think Putin would do next? I don't know that but I do know what he's doing now. He's slaughtering Ukrainians. He will continue slaughtering Ukrainians as long as people like yourself adopt an " oh no let's not upset him " approach. The Russian people either don't know or don't want to know the truth of what's happening so it's time to give them a taste of their own medicine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    How is Putin still alive?

    He's a liability to almost everyone

    Not well informed? doesn't he have access to satellite channels and YouTube

    Why are the Russian heavy artillery units not being destroyed ?????



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    There is huge detail on what the Brits got through to their POWs.

    They got in little magnetised neddles for compasses, they got in clothing that could be then used by tailors in the camps to turn into suits.

    They used monopoly board sets to smuggle in silk maps, compasses and files.

    Where the sets went was dictated by what maps were included.

    And even better some of the money in the set was actually real currency for use by escaping prisoners.

    The reason for silk is that it doesn't rustle like paper.

    Fliers also had hidden maps sown into their uniforms.

    Cardboard chess sets were also used to smuggle maps and other kit.

    Ludo, Snakes and Ladders, draughts were also used.

    Waddington was co-opted into the scheme by British secret service (MI-9) and had special operations room adding in all the secret stash.

    Now there are two theories.

    One is that the sets were then sent in via Red Cross to the prison camps.

    Now there is counter theory that the sets were not sent in via Red Cross, but through ficticious organisations set up to help aid the escaping of POWs.

    The argument for this was they didn't want the Red Cross parcels to be stopped.

    It was the work of James Bond proportions, after all Ian Fleming was involved in secret service during the war.

    There were two guys that masterminded the operation of smuggling in escape kit. One guy Christopher Clayton Hutton was a genius at coming up with ideas.

    He even got EMI involved in designing gramophone records that would conceal maps. Jewish composers were avoided as they would be confiscated.

    Because the records had to be smashed to get at the concealed contraband he labelled the operation "Smash Hits" and the records did actually play.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,802 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    How was Hitler still alive when his army was crumbling ?

    His inner circle rely on him, it's a symbiotic relationship. If Putin falls they all fall.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    'A taste of his own medicine' implies hitting civilian targets, especially within the context we were talking about around the time you posted.

    As far as I'm concerned Ukraine can turn every single Russian military target inside Russia to ash using conventional weapons. I don't care about upsetting Putin, like I want him to have nice life, but there are certain actions that will be damaging to Ukraine/humanity as a whole. Attacking civilian populations would, in this amateur's opinion, greatly risk Putrid carpet bombing Ukraine. You just know the fúcker would do it and partial blame would fall on Ukraine leadership for attacking Russian civilians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Economics101


    A few years ago I read "East West Street" by Philippe Sands, a story of Lviv and two of its inhabitants, and their role in the development of international human rights law. Sands features in this lengthy interview for the Guardian: a super read.

    See: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/mar/30/vladimir-putin-ukraine-crime-aggression-philippe-sands



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    This is unfortunately the biggest issues imagination and delusions of anything outside of Ukraine is not allowed because people want Ukraine to have some imaginary Morals , while they get obliterated day after day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There was a journalist who went on Eamon Dunphy's podcast claiming that not only has Putin's inner circle dwindled to a handful of people, but they're all madder than he is, and Putin is the 'moderate' voice.

    Whatever the case may be, there is a wider circle of people in the Kremlin as well who would possibly support regime change so long as it came from within the Kremlin. Wholesale change of the Russian leadership would be nice, but simply getting someone in there who's not as ideological as Putin would be acceptable if it meant ending the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    If putin was removed I don't think this just ends , who ever takes over would likely stay the course in Ukraine ,

    It would be great to wake up and find out Putin was removed permanently, but the war would still continue until who ever replaces him has some kind of consensus about what to do next ,the yes men will still want to stay at war to keep up the appearance mighty Russia the superpower,

    We know thats all done and dusted super power wise , they are a simple regional power with nuclear weapons and nothing more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Putin authorises 134,000 new army recruits to help the war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    He can't even equipp and supply the ones he has in Ukraine as it is



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