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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    In fairness GG that last statement would be true

    most winters in Irish hospitals, over crowding, trolley problems, staffing issues. While Covid has exacerbated the issue, it isn’t the only cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Any idea of todays numbers up or down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Thing is , has the emergency ended ?

    You yourself along with Seamus have called for dropping of testing .

    How do we know what's happening if testing is abandoned?

    The only clue to anything nasty would be people sick and turning up at A&E s , but who will be taking note of this if the minister is happy to ignore his frontline workers ?

    We have lucked out with this particular variant , but much as I hate to upset those who are declaring this over , its possible that it may not be and we are just in the " eye of the storm " so to speak between variants .

    And before I get the harbinger of doom comments ,this is not my opinion but the opinion of WHO and many health professionals worldwide.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If your criteria for 'has the emergency ended' is - essentially another variant can change everything, then the emergency can never end in your eyes. Surely you this is logic issue?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    While I agree GG, I have to say the last sentence has been my world for a good 5 years now.I've said before I have 3 kids - I have a list of stories as long as my arm of having a sick child and no access to a doctor for 2 -3 days. Only before Christmas I had a 3 year old with a severe respiratory virus, I rang DDoc on a Sunday afternoon and was told GP would ring back "in a few hours"...3.5 hours later he was on his way to Temple St A&E where he needed 3 rounds of a nebuliser, steroids, and 2 inhalers (he is not asthmatic) him and about 20 other kids his age, all in A&E together because we had no access to anything else. DdDoc never rang back.And Temple St had the nerve to send me a 100eur bill for the visit (I referred this to Stephen Donnelly's office, to be honest).I myself had a severe problem with an ear infection back in Oct, which culminated in being told I needed to go to Beaumont A&E, after 3 attempts to see a doctor over 1.5 weeks, and an attempt to go to the Eye and Ear emergency (they don't do walk in emergencies, you can only get an emergency appointment now, and they won't give you a same day appointment - because of covid).

    It is wearying to be trying to deal with this, plus paying through the nose for a GP every time.I do not want to sit in Temple St A&E, I want timely access to decent medical care for basic illnesses, cuts and bruises.I don't want to have to go to a hospital because it is 3pm on a Sunday afternoon and I have no other option.I have better things to be doing than sitting in a&e with a load of sick people, all sharing germs.It's frustrating as h&*l and the problem may be exacerbated by covid, but it is certainly is not being caused by covid.It was there before Covid ever was, and it will be there long afterwards.

    I do absolutely see your point and I agree, but at the same time as a member of the public being told I should appreicate a need for restrictions and masks to "help" the same health system that seems to do nothing except make it as difficult as possible for the ordinary public to access it or use it -it is somewhat galling.I have no issue with wearing a mask, but at the same time, I now have zero sympathy for the Dept of Health and the HSE.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No, I agree that we are very much not in the same situation as we were, Adam ,thankfully.

    But we need to keep in mind the possibility of this turning nasty again with the now very real danger of a variant that has evolved to evade not just vaccines but treatment . As it is Omicron has both antibody and some vaccine evasion properties, and some treatments like monoclonal antibodies that were used successfully with immunocompromised people with Delta , are useless now. There is only one which retains its use against Omicron, called Sotrovimab atm and supplies are very hard to come by as the whole world us looking for it .

    But these are issues that should not be a worry anyone healthy or vaccinated or recovered at present .But the " head in the sand " approach ,yippee it's all over is not appropriate either .

    The emergency is over but the fight to contain and treat so it truly becomes endemic goes on .



  • Administrators Posts: 55,179 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yes, we could get a nasty variant next month, or in 5 months, or in 5 years. Is your expectation that public health measures for covid should remain in place until such a time we are guaranteed no more variants?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes ,acutely aware and no fan of the HSE as it stands , I think you know .

    However this is extreme at present with literally no isolation areas left . So it's like a trolley crisis/ + terrorist situation and someone has let offa tear gas canister in A&E and you don't want the ordinary patients to be affected , but there is nowhere to put them .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Absolutely not . Again you don't read anything without bouncing in with a half baked reply .



  • Administrators Posts: 55,179 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I am reading your posts, you are beating around the bush.

    Since you feel that masks have been prematurely shelved, under what circumstances do you feel this decision should have been made?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Now that mask wearing is off the table so to speak..

    Paul Reid and Donnelly should probably be stepping up with actual radical solutions with 6000 staff off work

    Nobody should be getting into hospital right now who doesn't absolutely need to be there ,if that means triage and security at the door so be it and nobody should be wandering round hospital without medical grade masks on

    Need to get staff back to work faster too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    With the greatest respect to gg when there is light ahead those who have grown afraid of life without the safety blanket of restrictions grasp on to "new variants" and "long covid", i have started to take it as good news when i see these fears mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I totally agree with everything you say .

    I am a mother first and foremost and even with a leg in the system have had many a painful night in A&E .

    The fault for these issues does not lie with the hospitals but with the continuing deplorable management by HSE successive government ministers and lack of funding for medical personnel.

    The whole system is broken and skewed towards private healthcare . This is why so many in healthcare and responsible politicians want Sláintecare which will fix this issue for once and for all.

    But it is slowly being shelved by the present government, and dying on the table for lack of attention . Why ? because of pressure from the stakeholders of private healthcare who stand to lose a fortune if universal healthcare is available in Ireland . Also from the HSE top bods on big salaries who will be redundant/ less important with decentralising the health boards .

    Make no mistake about it this is a political issue and your government appear happy to go with long waiting lists and queues for AE and GP services instead of dealing with the problem directly . Those politicians would prefer to be known for cutting this waiting list by throwing some money at it or that for a photo opportunity and the gratitude foreva of the poor parents of children waiting years for surgery when they had the means all along to solve the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You are not reading them . I have said what I think many times , so you obviously are not interested really. That's ok.

    At least you are polite awec in fairness I'll give you that .

    I don't reply to posters who are rude and offensive like another on here .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Today was an important milestone for personal freedoms and the move to living with covid

    If the government had buckled here under the recent pressure it would have set an unwelcome precedent

    If they mandated the masks and that didn't fix the hospital crisis they could be back looking for even further laws and back again for flu season every year

    An important day for freedom and common sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    @Widdensushi Haha , am fearless for me , but maybe will just have to stop worrying about the nation so much, point taken 😊

    We are( largely) in a better place ,I do agree .

    Just to add, the last time I brought up about being careful about variants I was bashed for it too as everyone thought it was all over ,vaccines here etc

    That was just pre Delta !

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    I'd say most of the posters waffling about personal freedoms doesn't actually have a clue what personal freedom actually is imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I wouldn't be looking to the WHO as an arbiter, their view is the world and it's true some parts are still facing challenges. They also seem a bit irked at countries declaring it over and downgrading its risk. That's their job but it did take them months to declare a pandemic!

    It is not wrong to assume that we are now at or close to a level of herd immunity and that very many of us will likely get mild versions of COVID into the future if we even do. This is the most studied and most tested virus in history and now about 5 in every 10,000 cases or even fewer warrant medical intervention. Meanwhile we have people testing or overtesting themselves for what is genuinely no worse than a cold for virtually everyone.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Right but surely the normal course of events here is to let the emergency powers lapse, and reinstate them if we actually get to an emergency stage again. Governments should't have emergency powers implemented unless needed at the time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It's not..come to my world . Not as many as before but still about 700 or more people needing more than paracetamol and a slaver of Vick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes agree . Normally that is what should happen.

    Problem is with noone to advise a pretty clueless minister about how this current wave will pan out , how does the minister know to recommend to the government?

    This is a populist move on Donnelly's part . I hope it doesn't come back to bite him ( and us )in the proverbial.

    Look , am outnumbered here obviously and could be answering till the cows come home , not going to change anything.

    My opinion is that we need to watch things over the next few weeks and excercise caution and maskwearing if possible in crowded settings .

    Oh and test and isolate if you have symptoms.

    I bid you all adieu ! 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭User1998


    “How do we know what’s happening if testing is abandoned”

    I think that statement perfectly answers your question on weather the emergency has ended or not.

    The fact we need to test people to get an idea of whats going on shows that the emergency has most definitely ended. If there was no more testing you wouldn’t be able to tell if there was covid about or just another bad flu season.

    And how many healthcare workers would be able to return to work tomorrow if testing and isolating was to end? Its a few thousand isn’t it?

    Surely that would be a massive help to hospitals and would enable them to deal with more patients?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    A reminder of what the emergency powers entailed that will expire tonight:


    “”Micheal Martin confirmed in

    the Dáil that pandemic emergency powers will

    expire at midnight tomorrow.

    He was responding to Independent TD Mattie

    McGrath who said he had a petition with 3,000

    signatures from people who wanted the powers

    ended.

    "Are they finished, as was promised, and will they

    be gone?" he asked.

    The Taoiseach responded the measures would

    "obviously

    " end because there had been no

    amendment put before the Dáil.

    The Health (Preservation and Protection and Other

    Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) Act

    2020 was signed into law in March 2020 and

    extended until 31 March this year.

    It gave Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly

    powers to make regulations to slow down the

    spread of Covid-19.

    Under the legislation, he could make regulations to

    restrict travel to and from Ireland and restrict

    travel within Ireland to stop people moving to and

    from affected areas.

    It also gave the minister power to stop gatherings

    of people from taking place and to make organisers

    of these gatherings put in safeguards to prevent

    the virus from spreading.

    The powers also included making businesses (such

    as shops) set up safeguards to protect their staff

    and customers along with measures to close

    premises, including schools.””



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Of course we know what personal freedom is....

    It's the ability to be maskless in the middle of another group of maskless people, all breathing each other's covid infested air, and there's no law, rule or regulation that says we can't do it ☺️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Kill a few patients? With infected healthcare workers ? Think we all know why testing cannot be stopped in hospital and for healthcare workers.

    Not going to happen..discussed yesterday user1998 as to why not / cannot in reply to Seamus , if you are interested.

    And do you know how many people are hospitalised in a "very bad flu season "?

    My guess is, you don't at all and are just throwing around stuff .

    I will not entertain that as a serious statement until you go and look up the flu season hospitalisations and compare them yourself.

    Clue ...this is helluva lot worse !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Is there going to be a 5…4…3..2…1 countdown celebrations like on New Years eve tomorrow night? 😆



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Oh yeah, you are a living proof of the very little knowledge, judging by your posts. Unless you are just taking a piss out of everyone and if that's the case I must admit you are doing very good job. And since when you are referring to yourself as "we". I've seen that happening on COVID threads a lot, must be another secondary product of pandemic, or way too much booze.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,584 ✭✭✭VG31


    Will there no longer be a legal obligation to self-isolate once the emergency powers lapse?



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