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Solar PV battery options

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Nice setup, is the shed shaded in winter? Back of my house is N facing and shades the shed in winter 😥

    I am also thinking about N panels when they make sense financially, can get 11 on the house and 3 on the kitchen extension



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,160 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    No, that was me alright. It would be a waste financially for most people. Unless your electricity consumption is very high and you load shift almost all year around.

    Personally I do have a high consumption so it will easily pay back for me in about 5-6 years with load shifting alone. Probably less if the delta between day and night rate will grow bigger. And I upgrade often and since I started my PV journey, I have pretty much always sold my old gear for more than I bought it myself, so in other words: zero pay back time.

    And it's not all about financials. Using night rate is significantly cleaner greener (and ever more so) and a LiFePo4 battery lasts decades, so very durable

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,563 ✭✭✭championc


    My house roof is only 22°, so it could get sunshine for 8 months of the year (albeit at a low angle)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,160 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Zero shading, south facing but with only a tiny angle, so producing from sunrise to sunset 😎


    Yeah unfortunately panels are about €10-15 more expensive than they were a year or two ago because of the exploded cost of getting a shipping container from China over here. But should they ever drop to around the €50 mark I will get plastering that virgin roof with them.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    How are people actually testing the Ah of the batteries once they arrive? It might have been mentioned already but I don't recall seeing it.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Sounds like we need a new Photos of your PV setup thread...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    Would probably devolve into "that's not up to spec/ok with the regs" unfortunately.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Don't worry about that. We can police comments so that it is just pictures and no gripes.

    @unkel fancy throwing up a few photos of your setup in a new thread?

    Someone else (@championc?) had motorized panels on the north facing side of their shed too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,563 ✭✭✭championc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    I'd seen that before. Touch of class that.

    I've a flat roof on the shed, enough for about 5x panels. it's an idea in it's infancy with me at the moment, but if i do put panels there, the two furthest away from the sun I was thinking of having them adjustable like you have so that in winter they would have a higher incidence. Course you can only really do this on the furthest 2 from the sun as the others would shade the ones behind with the sun so low.

    What/how did you motorize it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,563 ✭✭✭championc


    Those are AliExpress actuators and a controller for the remote - 12v driven



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 shanemc30


    has anyone seen this supplier. Ships from Germany. Anyone have an opinion on these



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,160 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yeah, don't do it. It's bogus. You will not get your batteries if you order there. You will eventually get your money back. Guess how I know. Been there many times with AliExpress.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    Had the same issue but used a seller with a lot of good reviews, not like that link with no reviews. Just turned out that they were all fake which in hindsight I should have read more of them properly.

    Aliexpress are good to be fair with refunds and I did get my money back for the batteries eventually but takes a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,160 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    A while is a bit of an understatement 😂


    I think the official delivery window is 75 days. After that there is a 15 day dispute process. And if you win that, there is a 15 day process for refunds (although I have found the last one to usually only take a few working days)

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭harderthanf


    Does that Sofar inverter accept 24v or just >=48v? Was thinking of an 8s2p setup for a 10kwhr battery but it's not obvious.

    Also, when I looked before the Oye store mentioned shipping from Poland, not it just says from China. Will this still pass through Poland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭alan kelly


    Hey Folks,

    Just ordered an install of 6kw of Panels, 6kw inverter and 5kw Pure Drive Battery.

    I have a Heat Pump in the house and am ready to pick up an EV so electricity usage will be high this winter.

    Wondering should i increase the battery to 10kw and use more from the night rate or maybe add a few more 370watt panels ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,563 ✭✭✭championc


    They break out into Europe in Poland

    All inverters only support 48v

    The above cells need the Seplos BMS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭harderthanf




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    everyone is doing 16S with theses cells?

    they are 3.2v nominal which is 51.2V, which is fine for the inverters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭harderthanf


    Yeah. I had a bit of a brain fart last night. I did try to remove my question but you were too fast!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭hick


    Hi Alan.

    im in the same boat, I will start with circa 10kW batt.

    then do the research to expand once I have 3 months of data.

    would be great if there was a decent online course in this!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,563 ✭✭✭championc


    It's not difficult. It's more time consuming

    Here's a general schematic

    seplos.jpg

    For then actual wiring of the BMS and if you go for one or two sets paralleled, this shows the wiring and busbars in detail

    seplos-16s2p.jpg

    Then you need isolation devices of some kind between the inverter and the BMS

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    Or

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    Or both



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭THE ALM


    I think for batteries 10-15kWh is probably a good fit as, unless a heavy user, this would get most people through the evening/night until they can be charged the next morning especially at this time of year onwards. Those three/four months over winter would need a bit of night charging.

    I'll be looking to increase ours over the coming weeks and have been looking at all options including bringing in direct, have been in discussions with a few manufacturers.

    For those unsure of the diy route I can provide prices for the items I have looked at if you want to send me a PM, if that is allowed. Have priced rack mount and powerwall types so it might help to sway you one way or the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭alan kelly


    Im hearing contradicting reports,, Some say get the panels as big as possible first and others talking about the Battery size.. good craic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,160 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Panels is the most important. Get as many as you can fit. Once they're up on your roof, they will be good for many decades.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Yeah, I'd weigh in behind unkel.

    Basically, panels are the engine of the whole thing. Nobody has ever come onto the forums and said

    "I bought too many panels".

    Many however, have said "I wish I bought more" (including myself). You can't fill those large batteries unless you have enough generation capacity. You might say, "Ohh but I'll fill them from night rate and use during the day", and while that in general is a good strategy, the real value in a battery is being able to store the "free" leccie that you get from the panels as opposed to the 1/2 price night rate.

    For sure, there are always edge cases, but really if you are going 2x (or more) your panel size in battery storage, you'd want to have done the math. it's not "wrong" per say, just that it wouldn't be an average household consumption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭hick


    It’s all fair comment, but the thing to consider is the use case. For instance my brother in law is down the south west. Huge dormer bungalow and has 24 panels on the roof. He could stick another 50 up if he wanted. He has a 5kw battery that just about scrapes he though the day and he’s keen for another. No heat pump or ev and they both work away from home 4 days a week. And he’s been producing and feeding in a huge (enviable) amount over the past few weeks.

    now I’m in a “decent size” Dublin house (small country house!). I can most likely just about squeeze 16 panels max, a shade under 6kW. Roof size and layout is the issue on going bigger. I have a heat pump and EV. Myself and wife work at home several days a week so always someone here. Now I know I’ll be fine in summer as the heat pump is effectively off from may to October and the house and hot water will run off PV. But come winter when the panels are producing squat and the heat pump is chugging, that’s when the battery will earn its keep and I will be taking electricity in at 70% discount over night. My house is a fully electric house, if you are running gas or oil your electricity bill is way down by comparison. For me, in my use case I could benefit hugely from just the battery on its own!! The ROI for the batteries is at least twice as fast as the panels

    I contend the key for every install is putting in the graft to figure out what is right for you and your use case. And resources like this thread are great to help with that as long as you are open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Absolutely hick. Absolutely.

    Again, what I was saying was in relation to an average household. That in Ireland is someone who consumes about 4000-4500 units a year. Previously to your mail you hadn't really specified how much exactly you were using so my advice was more towards that average household. It's highly likely that you consume way more than that. I'm in about 11,000-12,000 myself so I know I'm not average.

    Your EV usage should be discounted as you wouldn't charge the house batteries to then charge the car batteries. I mean "technically" you could, but it'd be dumb as you lose 10-15% charging one to lose 10-15% charging the other. So you'd just charge the EV directly from the grid at night time anyway.

    I would however encourage you to do the math yourself. It might not be as advantageous as you think. When I was doing this myself, I even went as far as writing a little application for it. Plugging in (say) €7000 for a 15Kwhr battery with my own SSE rates.

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    14 years for battery payback - and that's if you fully charge and deplete your battery every single day, no holidays to Butlins :-) Heat pump ON in the middle of summer etc.

    I don't want you to read this that you shouldn't or it's a dumb idea in getting a large battery. I'm actually quite pro-battery in fact. No, my warnings here are just so that you walk in with your eyes wide open. Lots of good reasons to get a large battery. Financial is only one of them, but as you can see, it's not as easy as you think.

    (If you could go DIY on the battery, I wouldn't even bother with the financials and "just do it")



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭garo


    You are 100% correct. Everyone has to figure out what their use case is.



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