Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Russia - threadbanned users in OP

1107310741076107810793690

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Genuinely not nit picking but i have to ask; would you really include Anwar Sadat in that list? Im not saying he was a white knight (not by a long shot) - but he genuinely tried to improve Egypt's domestic political situation. He was not a fundamentalist, and in fact restricted Islamism's function within Egypt. Yes he went to war with Israel but then, historically, signed a peace treaty with them. Joint Nobel Peace Prize for that

    He was assassinated by Muslim extremists for being too liberal (i recall that one assassin screamed 'i have killed the Pharaoh' as the murdered him)

    Like i said, he was no saint - but i think it a bit extreme to include him in that list?

    No offense intended at all btw - just a thought :)

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No offence taken, but you are perhaps reading to much into it. I was just listing the lifespan of dictators and wasn't applying any value judgements and differentiating between good dictators and bad, just dictators as a class.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Absolutely yea - i understand. The reason i commented relates to various discussions i have had RE Sadat. Some people do view him negatively, but i tend to look on him with a more sympathetic eye. Certainly his restriction of Islamism (muslim brotherhood et al) was due to his concern about where that ideology could (sadly did) lead. I would have to check but think im right in saying he was one of the first Arab leaders to visit Israel and at least attempt normalization of relations.

    But look point taken - it was just one of those moments where i was reading the list - and nodding in agreement - only to suddenly go 'SADAT!! ah come on .. etc etc'

    anyway its cool - thanks for reply! :)

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Some people have been suggesting that there is a need to 'appease' Putin, not humiliate him and let him keep the Donbass (or part of the Donbass) in order that he doesn't do something crazy.

    But it seems a very naïve viewpoint. That would just leave him time to rebuild his forces and then have another go at seizing territory he fancies subsuming into Russia. Any so called peace agreement he signs will be meaningless to him and not worth the paper its written on. He's going to pose a danger, no matter what the outcome of the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭dasdog


    Husarivka is a village in Kharkiv which the Ukrainians took control back of today - cows must be shell shocked.

    Husarivka-Kharkiv-Region.jpg




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They've been rebuilding for two decades and it's still a crap military force. He does need to be seen to get enough to end the war. Like others I think Putin is done after this and we will not have to deal with any future misadventures as he's seen just how strongly the West will respond to him. At some point in the very near future there will need to be a conversation about nuclear weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,978 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    While I understand the point, I think people gloss over the fact that all sides can make use of that same time. Yes Russia might go away for a year and build up their forces before coming back, but Ukraine will hardly be sitting idle for the year either. How much foreign aid and supplies will be flooding into Ukraine during that period of peace?

    A sanctioned Russia versus a western backed Ukraine with time to prepare, I don't think round 2 would be pretty for Russia either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭briany


    But Ukraine doesn't want 'round 2'. They didn't want round 1 to begin with. Any war carries with it the risk of terrible infrastructural damage and casualties (and we're seeing that bear out), both military and civilian. Another imminent helping of that isn't really a good shadow to live under and makes it very difficult to move forward as a country. They need some sort of security guarantee, and that has to be backed by the U.S.A. or NATO or even just a number of larger European countries. Russia cannot be trusted on the matter.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    They shove these big coke can size magnets into the stomachs of cows who graze on WW1 battle sites, so the shrapnel they eat doesn't cut up their digestive system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    This depends on the assumption that Putin 2.0 will be much more amenable. A price must be paid by Russia for acts of aggression. I would suggest a de nazification of St Petersburg or if that's a bit extreme, just take Crimea and dombas and return Ukraine to it's original borders + give them some adjoining Russia. How can we allow Russia to be rewarded for aggression? Why won't they try again in 10 years and every ten years for the next 100 years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    I remember how I laughed watching this inspection by Putin.

    Yet he didn't think it was relevant and showed the state of his army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,897 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    even just a number of larger European countries

    I've been thinking a security guarantee based around this might offer Putin a way out of the current crisis short of total humiliation if he genuinely doesn't intend to intefere with Ukraine again...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I suspect the problem will be that any ceasefire or peace agreement will very likely have significant stipulations about Ukraine's military; or at least that's what Russia desires at this point. I would also be amazed if the "neutrality" they're always talking about doesn't include restrictions on imports and foreign investment in general.

    Also let's be real here: if NATO/EU aren't willing to put boots on the ground in Ukraine to defend them right now then why would they do anything remotely similar in the future? I don't see how Ukraine are going to get any actual security guarantees from anyone but themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The amount of people on here who think the Ukranians are going to run the Russians out of Ukraine at least and possibly reclaim Donbas then chase the Russkies back to Moscow is becoming a bit much



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I don't think many people believe that at all; I think plenty of people wish it would happen though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Four weeks ago the idea of Ukraine being able to put up a fight was farfetched, but not now. Russia now losing a lot of or all of its gains is not that far fetched either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's an interesting question to think about. Ukraine would probably never have a better opportunity than now to get the whole of the Donbas and Crimea back under control of Kyiv. If Russia truly is abandoning plans to go for Kyiv, then Ukrainian forces will presumably be heading south and east to push things back to at least the situation prior to Feb 24, and then could they push further? What are people in Luhansk and Sevastopol saying to themselves these days, I wonder? Would they resist Ukraine coming back to take that land (which is a huge, huge, huge if), or would they allow it because they're suddenly not so hot on Russia?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Interesting to read the beginning of this thread and see all the direct and indirect support for Putin and his actions from posters. Also slightly embarrassing for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 489 ✭✭animalinside


    That is an extraordinarily offensive thing to say.

    A "poundshop adolf" is making it sound as if Putin is somehow weak or inferior to Hitler who gassed millions of innocent people?

    Please you and the people who thanked your post reflect on what this betrays about you and your character that you would even consider this to be a legitimate or valid thing to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    Whatever about shell-shocked, with the weather and nobody looking after them they must be Friesian.



  • Posts: 25,917 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Agreed, it should be fully investigated what idiot would record such a video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Well I think we have to remember that the significant losses suffered by Russia during the first week or so of the invasion were largely self inflicted: they pushed units and large convoys deep into Ukraine where they became cut off and decimated by a still functioning Ukrainian Air Force and determined ground forces.

    Crimea and in particular the Donbass are areas with significant Russian air superiority bordering on supremacy in the far east: which is very different to the Kyiv or more central/western areas of Ukraine. Crimea is also heavily fortified and surrounded by Russian controlled waters.

    Both Crimea and the Donbass have significant pro-Russian populations also: so you could expect additional volunteers and as we've seen in the DPR/LPR significant numbers of conscripts.

    And then you have the issue of supply lines: the Donbass in particular has multiple fairly well secured routes through which supplies can be forwarded covered by both air power, air defences, and a mostly friendly population.

    So I don't think you can really compare Ukraine defending around Kyiv or Kherson against troops far from supply lines and without much air coverage versus Ukraine actively attacking into heavily fortified and pro-Russian territory which borders Russia proper.

    Indeed I think it can be argued that many of the Ukrainian counter-offensives we have seen over the previous days have been successful due in part to Russia reorganising and resetting for operations in the Donbass; they have been pulling out their better troops and leaving smaller numbers of weaker units (i.e. badly equipped and low morale conscripts and DPR/LPR volunteers) in defensive positions which aren't covered by artillery or air power. These are ripe pickings for Ukraine's small unit advances.

    Again I'm just some idiot on the internet but I think expecting Ukraine to be able to militarily win a bonafide full-scale conventional conflict along even one large front against Russia (even a much weaker Russia than anticipated) on its own is just asking far too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It’s not right but to win a war against a bunch of animals it takes a bunch of animals, it always has. There is always plenty of time for morals and investigations after the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There is still a lot of closet support for Putin out there, especially among the far right and the far left : people who instinctively dislike NATO (and the EU and the USA to a certain extent).

    Reading the Daily Mail comments section in the UK, there are large numbers of people who hate Zelensky and his government - they can't quite bring themselves to articulate their love for Putin in the comments, but you can see that's what they are thinking.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I've also seen it. I'd have to say it looks genuine on the face of it; and it makes sense that pro-Ukrainian sources wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole because it paints them in a very bad light.

    Whilst in some sense I can understand their actions torturing or even outright killing prisoners of war is only going to make Ukraine's job that much harder and more unpleasant; and in particular for Ukraine's own prisoners of war when reprisals are inevitably carried out.

    I should also mention I've seen another video which looks to be a number of Ukrainian soldiers executed via gunshots to the head lined up on the ground so... yeah; I think it's safe to say there's going to be plenty more nastiness before all this is over.



This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement