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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,448 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Appears to have been hit by three big missiles.

    Some people are indeed wondering if this was aimed at Joe Biden who is at the Poland - Ukraine border this afternoon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    The missiles hit a town on the outskirts of lviv.

    Reports are the target was a communication tower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭I Blame Sheeple


    I'm told many Russians still view Stalin as a hero to the Russian people, totally unaware of the carnage he put to his own people so that's not too surprising to me at all.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,434 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Putin would surely be very very careful about not hitting Biden?


    That must be unprecedented in modern times. Possibly the start of the Rwandan genocide, but even that was a civil war (if that's really a difference). Can't imagine what the response would be there. But it'd surely legitimately bring the US into things



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,443 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Nothing 'Marxist' about modern Russia. Russia is more far right than far left. Pretty much all the far right talking points of the last decade Putin is big believer in.

    Putins ideology right now is much closer to fascism than communism.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,897 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Hopefully one of the days they'll make a big discovery like Joey

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    Russia considers bitcoins as a method of payment for oil/gas:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,443 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977



    Nazi thing is absolute nonsense. Putin has bankrolled most of the major far right movements across Europe past decade. Russia itself is full of far right neo nazi like groups.

    Last Ukraine election only 2% of the electorate voted for right right candidates. That's much much less than in France, Italy, Germany, Sweden etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭rogber


    Irrelevant question, the Ukrainians aren't recruiting mercenaries from Syria, the Russians are



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭rogber


    There's no way the Russians have any interest in assassinating Biden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭sportloto86


    And what country would be that, Sherlock?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Assinate Biden? They can't even hold on to their weaponry against fcucking farmers. Muppets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    That certainly wasn't the case not so long ago, at least in my I grant you limited experience. It's much more a new thing. The nazi thing is even more ridiculous as Mother Russia has her fair share of neo nazi and far right groups. Even Moscow's poster boys for nazis the Azoz had it's genesis in a bunch called Section 82, or something like that, a neo nazi group allied to the Moscow Spartak FC Ultras a Russian neo nazi group that masqueraded as football supporters. Far Right nationalists are not too hard to find in that neck of the woods.

    The master race stuff in general when it comes to Russian, and something their autocrat promotes is IMHO more of an insecurity than anything. Their history is framed as being one of victims, attacked from outside 'foreign" forces and the plucky Russians defended their land and pushed them back. The fear of the outsider and the outsider's culture and deviat influence is strong. WW2 reinforced that and propaganda around that terrible event is and has been pushed heavily to the generations since. Well a fearful people are a more controllable people(I have had two Russians tell me Chernobyl was a CIA plot..). A technique used by autocrats even otherwise democratic governments the world over. QV the Reds under the bed paranoia in 1950's America.

    Earlier in the thread somebody expanded more on this Russian arrogance thing and how they were all **** and my initial reaction was WTF? The more I thought on it the majority of Russians I've known have been women. All but one were perfectly pleasant people. When I think of the handful of Russian men I've met, yeah there was more of the arrogance thing alright. One guy was sound as a pound, another was fairly OK if mad as a march hare, the other two, were yeah arrogant. However, again I found that just below the surface it was a faux arrogance based on insecurity.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭zv2


    rogber: "There's no way the Russians have any interest in assassinating Biden."

    It was sabre rattling at Biden rather than a literal attack on his person.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    That is false. They have western weapons that they were giving for free. No war since WW2 has any country received modern western weapons for free. Where is the thousand of weapons for Yemen where is the out cry for those poor people. And free aid. America in Iraq and Afghanistan up against poorly trained and badly armed people. Iraq and Afgan didn't get free modern weapons to take out America. What about Palestine they do not get free weapons and money while Israel does every year and look how they dominate. So no what you are saying does not ring true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,897 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Can't imagine what the response would be there. 

    For the mean-minded, it might echo the response of Dorothy Parker to the death of former president Calvin Coolidge: How could they tell?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I'm just curious I know its a bit off thread. If say America had of invaded Ukraine and Ukraine had all the arms that they had at the moment and more been supplied how America would of held up. I know they would of dominated the skies and had complete control of Ukrainian airspace within 24 hrs and I know they could of pounded out the Ukrainian armour. But in regards to American soldiers when they went in how would they of faired? More I'm wondering in a modern war how would America fair if they fought a war against someone like Ukraine not against Iraq or Afghanistan? Off topic but wondering might they have thousands of casualties? Nothing like Russian casualties of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    I know enough about the American doctrine to know they would have laid waste to the country from the sky before a boot was put on the ground



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    No war since WW2 has any country received modern western weapons for free.

    There have been quite a few examples of "free modern weapons" from both the US and the USSR as it was. Pretty much every proxy war between the two superpowers had that going on. In the Korean war where do you think the North Koreans got their Migs? In the various proxy wars in South America the Soviets gave guns to their guys, the Americans gave guns to theirs. After the Russian invasion of Afghanistan the Afghanis got anti tank and anti aircraft missles from the Americans. The AK47 is the most common assault rifle on the planet for a reason. The Russians were shipping them out like Smarties to any group they saw as friends. Sometimes for hard currency, just as often for free. RPG7's are anothe very common weapon out there.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,448 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One thing that strikes me is that modern day Russia is a much weaker entity on the global stage than the old Soviet Union. Their population in 1989 was nearly 300 million and they were actually bigger than the USA by about 40 million. I don't think the loss of influence and clout has fully fed through to the public and many of them still think they are a superpower. I suspect the fact that they are struggling to overcome Ukraine and are now in a war of attrition may come as a bit of a shock to many in the population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,479 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Other countries testing the Russians

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    I agree with you apart from the AK47's. They are Chinese made AK47's that everyone has. The Russian only made them for a few years during which ever war I think ww2. I watch Youtube videos on guns and learned about the AK's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Just to point out they are still great Ak's even though they are Chinese made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,937 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And losing Ukraine from its orbit to anti Russian side is an 80 million 'swing'. Just like losing Poland, East Germany, Czechs, Hungary etc was

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69



    A video of a large number of Ukrainian soldiers surrendering. Russian propaganda that is being put out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭RGARDINR




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'd reckon better than in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Ukraine, outside of the cities is more like a "proper" army against army war. The Americans ability to apply force at a distance is unmatched. As are their logistics. Air superiority would be a given within days. Their comms would be secure. Their intel and battlefield oversight would be scarily high. The skies would be thick with drones blasting anything bigger than a shotgun. Their special forces would go in from day one and secure the infrastructure they wanted for themselves. Ukrainian AA and radar and comms would be targeted right off the bat. They've be blind and deaf within 24 hours. That's before the main thrust of tanks and boots would cross the border. Yes they would take casualities, no doubt about that, and like anyone would find it very difficult to hold the land long term, but I would be surprised if they wouldn't have secured Kyiv by now and what was left of Ukraine's forces would be down to foot soldiers.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    I haven't been following the thread or the war but that is the first confirmation I seen of Ukrainian solders surrendering. I have seen many Russian though.



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