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DrumSteve · 26-03-2022 02:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838462#Comment_118838462

Trying to put on a brave face at this stage is hilarious. This is not the early 20th century any more.

They caught the Ukrainians on the hop, but they think they are gonna waltz into Poland without a lot of dead Russians?

And if they think they can fire a nuke at warsaw without St Petersburg or Moscow being wiped off the map they have another thing coming.

briany · 26-03-2022 02:12PM

@DrumSteve

They caught the Ukrainians on the hop, but they think they are gonna waltz into Poland without a lot of dead Russians?

They didn't catch Ukrainians on the hop in this last round. It's one thing to roll tanks into a largely Russian area of a country that's going through a revolution. It's quite another to go into another country that has a highly motivated and well-supplied military that's waiting for you to try something.

The Russians have nothing of worth to threaten Poland, and NATO by extension, other than raw numbers. The only thing Putin can reasonably threaten the West with is the nukes, because their army is a complete joke (relatively speaking).

Fiery mutant · 26-03-2022 02:15PM

The Russians would find it hard to take a kindergarden at the minute, never mind make an attempt at Poland or anywhere else. If they tried massing on the Polish border, the Poles would crush them while they slept.

Loafing Oaf · 26-03-2022 02:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838462#Comment_118838462

Strazdas · 26-03-2022 02:33PM

Very good article in today's Indo about the brainwashing and gaslighting of the Russian public which has been going on for many years. I'm amazed to read that many Russian people (perhaps as high as 80%) are not even aware that the Soviet Union invaded Poland in 1939 and the Baltic states in 1940. It appears they have an entirely garbled view of Russia's history and its place in the world, fuelled by years of lies and state propaganda.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/putins-denazification-lies-prove-its-russia-that-needs-liberating-41484509.html

thomil · 26-03-2022 02:48PM

Another 5100 anti-tank weapons are on their way from Germany to Ukraine. According to German newspaper Bild and TV station n-tv Nachrichten, these are RGW-90 MATADOR anti-armour weapons. Apparently, to avoid having to get approval from the Bundestag, these weapons were purchased by Ukraine with money provided by Germany. 2650 weapons have been delivered, the rest will be delivered in smaller weekly batches as they come off the assembly line. The order by the way was placed on March 18th. I've had Amazon orders that took longer than that.

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1507685990755971073?s=20&t=cVcx0LHuvajgRsI41YQ6wg

This is a major shift in German policy, as these weapons are purchased directly from the manufacturer, rather than being drawn from Bundeswehr depots, as was the case with the Panzerfaust 3, Stinger or the infamous Strela missiles.

It's interesting to see that the Greens in Germany are emerging as the driving force with regards to supporting Ukraine. From what I've seen, it's been Minister for the Economy Robert Habeck and Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, who were the driving force behind this purchase and the rapid approval for export.

Danzy · 26-03-2022 02:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838586#Comment_118838586

Russia never underwent a demarxification campaign, the leadership of the country are all products of the old system and still applying its tactics and methodology.

Danzy · 26-03-2022 02:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838625#Comment_118838625

Great to see and great to see that the Pro Russian structure in German Govt are being worked around.

deise08 · 26-03-2022 02:59PM

With regards to the Black Sea.

Is it only Russian boats/ships in that area or are there allied vessels there too?

I know I sound stupid but if there are, do they just float around looking at each other? I mean would each side be visible to each other?

I was reading about exercises in the Med/ionian and North Sea. Would they be the closest ships?

Or is there any need for Nato/Us/EU boats to be there?

26-03-2022 03:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838640#Comment_118838640

What structure is that?

26-03-2022 03:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838462#Comment_118838462

Shower of twats. Good luck with that. Their obvious tin pot army would be laughed at .

Muahahaha · 26-03-2022 03:21PM

That Daily Mail story about Hunter Biden running bio labs in Ukraine to produce anthrax is such a complete and utter load of tosh.

Everyone knows that Hunter Biden is in Moscow running an underground McDonalds and dealing in black market Big Macs. The demand for his Big Macs is so high that he just doesnt have the time to be making anthrax in Ukraine.

Typical Daily Mail making sh1t up again.

Field east · 26-03-2022 03:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838059#Comment_118838059

Is it not in the RU interest not to let out this information because it must be very debilitating for the RU army? On the other hand maybe it is to RU advantage to make the list as large as possible - even though it might be fake so as to mislead the Ukr army. In war every ‘ possible advantage’ is taken - true or not

JoChervil · 26-03-2022 03:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838381#Comment_118838381

But well documented and objective relations can help enormously in a latter punishment of war criminals

Strazdas · 26-03-2022 03:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838635#Comment_118838635

It's easy to see how the public can so readily buy into the nonsense of "denazifying" and "demilitarising" Ukraine. They don't even understand their own country and its history, never mind that of their neighbours.

circadian · 26-03-2022 03:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838521#Comment_118838521

I couldn't help but laught because of the sheer size of her balls in this morning's report. They jumped out of the van and shells were exploding all around them and as calm as you like, she lifts the camera and looks at it says "as you can see....they're shelling the area around us." Like it was nothing.

I made my way through some crazy **** during the troubles, including missing a massive car bomb in 2010 by less than 10 minutes but this is another level. It's a relentless gauntlet of artillery, gunfire and anything else the Russians can throw at them and the reporters somehow have their **** together.

20silkcut · 26-03-2022 03:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838625#Comment_118838625

A Panzerknacker possibly the best name for a weapon I have ever heard. 🤣

briany · 26-03-2022 03:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838725#Comment_118838725

Yeah, again, I don't think the Daily Mail was claiming that, instead reporting that it was Russia claiming that. The Daily Mail can be a pretty sleazy tabloid, but even they couldn't be that bad.

Fascinating, though, that the extremity of Western right-wing, particularly in America, will happily lap this kind Russian propaganda up.

Wibbs · 26-03-2022 03:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838586#Comment_118838586

Oh I have heard that stuff from Russians I've known. Their propaganda "history" of World War Two is staggeringly daft in places. According to what they're taught out of the womb Russia never put a foot wrong in that and history is either spun as part of Stalin's grand plan(he tricked the Germans to come in such huge numbers to encircle them. Yep...), or like the examples you gave is completely omitted. The Allies did little save for the start and were corrupted by America's influence.

I also noticed, or rather fully fleshed out what I noticed in the past but didn't quite solidify into thoughts, but because of recent events see another pattern. Namely how Ukrainians were viewed and how this has been spun by the Kremlin and changed over time to their ends. I knew a Ukrainian woman ten years ago and she was friends with some Russians and other Russians I knew suggested I should bring her over for a get together(a housewarming IIRC). Fast forward to around five years ago and her name came up in passing with the same Russians and the tone had shifted. She was of Russian background herself and grew up in the West of Ukraine and the Russian line was "how can she live happily there? That's very odd" kinda thing. I thought it a bit strange at the time, but didn't really delve any deeper as I hadn't seen her in years. The impression I got was since the invasion and annexation of Crimea and after Maidan and the Russian stooge getting the heave ho, the Russian top down spin has gone from "Brothers in Little Russia" to "Nazis on our doorstep, whores to NATO". And these are all people living in the West, though they naturally as diasporas the world over do consume the media of the old country. Now imagine that same stuff being fed to Russians in Russia itself, especially beyond the urban western parts of the country and you can build suspicion, even hate quite easily.

Bit cynical · 26-03-2022 03:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118836966#Comment_118836966

Not just generals. According to the higher end estimates, they've lost roughly the same amount of troops generally in the first month in Ukraine as they have in the whole Afghanistan campaign. So they are losing generals in roughly the same proportion of troops generally but at a much higher rate.

firemansam4 · 26-03-2022 03:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838764#Comment_118838764

Yes the very definition of "useful idiots"

goldenmick · 26-03-2022 03:45PM

@Strazdas - Very good article in today's Indo about the brainwashing and gaslighting of the Russian public which has been going on for many years.

And all done under Putin's direct orders.

I'm pretty sure he'd do it personally if there were enough days in a week.

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Longing · 26-03-2022 03:45PM

https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1507717948592594955?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1507717948592594955%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FMarkHertling2Fstatus2F1507717948592594955widget%3DTweet

Strazdas · 26-03-2022 03:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838771#Comment_118838771

I'm picking up a fair bit of arrogance and racism in the way they talk about Ukrainian people. Even openly describing them as "neo-Nazis", "drug users" and "bandits" strikes me as them viewing their near neighbour with contempt and they (Russians) thinking they are superior to them. It's all rather unpleasant and doesn't reflect well on them - there's almost a touch of the 'master race' stuff going on.

thomil · 26-03-2022 03:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118838651#Comment_118838651

A lot of the leading figures in the governing SPD party earned their spurs under chancellor Gerhard Schröder, including Olaf Scholz. As a consequence, they would have had regular dealings with staff at the Russian embassy in Berlin, though I doubt all are as corrupt and morally bankrupt as Schröder turned out to be. This was in all likelihood reinforced by the preceding decades of "Ostpolitik" started by Willy Brandt and kept up by every chancellor since then, as well as by a genuine desire to not antagonise Russia again. This has afforded Russia an inordinate amount of influence in Berlin, something that is only now beginning to change, even though reluctantly.

And it's not just the centre-left SPD that's affected by it. The conservative CDU, the party of former chancellor Angela Merkel, has had a similarly close relationship with Russia, dating back to the days of Helmut Kohl, who developed close connections in the mid-eighties and then used them to not only get Gorbachev to agree to reunification in 1990, but to also convince him to withdraw all Russian troops from East German territory. Thankfully, whilst the SPD still needs to be pushed to change by their coalition partners, namely the Greens, the CDU has recently elected a prominently anti-Russian candidate as its leader. As much as I despise Friedrich Merz for his MANY other failings, I doubt he'd ever get as cozy with Putin as Schröder and Merkel did.

JoChervil · 26-03-2022 04:32PM

https://twitter.com/irinaborogan/status/1506292590806806535?

PrzemoF · 26-03-2022 04:34PM

Massive fire in Lviv (the city is close to Polosh border). I guess it's the Putler's way of saying "Hi Joe" while Biden is in Poland. TV is only showing smoke in the sky as Lviv governor asked not to show the details that would allow Russians to asses the damage after the attack.