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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Stretched themselves a bit thin there too I might add. I wish the troops encircled north west of Kiev a speedy departure to the Donbas and hope they have enough food for the long journey.


    Are they aiming too high with even that now? I mean the Donbas front has barely moved all along or are they talking of drawing the line where it currently is and not the whole Oblast.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    My crystal ball of a while back seems to be working pretty well. They're fúcked and they know they're fúcked and not just militarily. How do you say "covering your arse" in Russian? This is the expected start of their Spin for a Win to the home crowd.

    They still hold bargaining and spin(which we won't believe) chips. That's why I reckoned a while back that they've held back from Kyiv and other cities. Odessa won't be touched either. They're leverage positons, not tactical. They shelled Kyiv and the centre of it early on. They haven't to nearly the same degree since. Bits and bobs around the outskirts to keep those established lines intact but have left the centre alone. The power and comms are still on. They could have easily fired a lot of dumb munitions in, but they haven't.

    This will be spun as being humanitarian(HA!), but with the not so veiled threat of restarting shelling if their demands aren't met at the negotiation table. Demands they well know are on an ever shorter list and can only be about the Donbas(pretty much a donedeal) Crimea(not even on the table), land corridor(up in the air, but going more the Ukrainian way with each week), NATO(off the table and for over a week), the EU(barely if ever mentioned compared to early on), de-nazification(remove a couple of statues, new unit patch for Azoz, change a few street names. Job done), neutrality(not worth the paper it's written on) and de-militarisation(you can't get the toothpaste back into the tube and both sides know it).

    The Russians will go back across the newly drafted border to the East, putin will have a wee rally with smiling dopes issued with flags claiming a victory against nazis. Some sanctions will be dropped, most of the don't really matter ones like Chanel shops and Maccy Dees will be back and any of the big European owned manufacturing plants will, but the international business community will either not deal with them again, or move to reduce their dealings with them going forward, because they're just too volatile and risky to deal with .

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    View on the possible Chinese strategy on this


    From the Guardian:

    For more on what to expect from China amid the Russia-west tensions, a US White House official has said China will engage in a “dance” between the axes of power.

    Reuters reports from Washington:


    Mira Rapp-Hooper, director for the Indo-Pacific at the White House National Security Council, told an online panel discussion that driving a wedge between Russia and China would be easier said than done, but that Beijing would remain uncomfortable with Russian president Vladimir Putin’s war.

    “We’re unlikely, I think, to see a fully and publicly unified Moscow and Beijing in which China is totally comfortable being saddled with the burden of Vladimir Putin’s brutal and ill-begotten war,” Rapp-Hooper said.

    “That is to say that we are likely to continue to see some amount of Chinese support for the Russian economy, but a dance that Beijing tries to do to keep up its economic ties to the European Union in particular, but also to the United States,” she said. ...

    China has repeatedly voiced opposition to the sanctions, calling them ineffective and insisting it will maintain normal economic and trade exchanges with Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    The main targets of the first phase of the Russian attack are now complete according to their government, the next seems to be to redirect all troops to Mariupol and the rest of the Donbas, thats a fair trek for many up north

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    It might be because we seem over represented by the useful idiots we somehow managed to send as MEPs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    He said "Ireland, well almost". I wouldn't read hugely into it. The rest of your post comes across as pretty fanatical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,469 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Wouldn't that also free up Ukraine to send forces to the south?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    I would say multiply these figures by around 10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,815 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Russia won't be happy with just a land corridor to Crimea, they'll also want to secure water to Crimea.

    Which will require a much bigger slice of the south than a simple corridor. I think Ukraine is in a sufficiently strong position now to refuse a land corridor and even if they give up Crimea, they should deny it the water that would allow it to become more than a glorified military base.

    Ukraine's access to the Sea of Azov also has to included in the treaty as well as freedom of passage through the Kerch Straits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    You'd think but beware of them announcing their intentions like that. Wait for the US confirmation of troop movements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    yes its a shitshow for the Russians no matter what way they try this

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    There have been some reports of troops moving back into Belarus from the Kyiv and Chernihiv areas; it's entirely possible they're going to be rotated to the Donbass front.

    Once they have utterly wiped out Mariupol, which is realistically only a matter of days away; they can also push those troops up. It also seems like they're forcibly dispersing the population so they won't need troops to actually hold it; unlike Kherson.

    There have also been reports and images of mass conscription in Russian controlled areas in the Donbass. Along with the additional fighters and equipment which have been pictured moving towards Ukraine and could be used.

    I suspect if they concentrate their forces in a smaller number of areas they will be able to make much more progress than they have been in the east.

    I think the interesting part will be if they just abandon Kyiv completely (which you could argue they already have done) or if they'll keep trying to tie up Ukraine's forces there; and whether Ukraine will take the risk of trying to move larger groups of forces through the country to meet the Russians in the east.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    The water would be a condition of any peace deal I'm sure; it was one of the quoted reasons for the invasion and has been a bone of contention since 2014.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Ken Tucky


    Maybe the little turnip head thinks he is playing a Ukrainian game of Risk where he can just move his troops around the board.

    I look forward to the day that him and his s*ithole country are so insignificant that we no longer hear about them...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,088 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Let's hear it for Russia's trolling B-team. The original guys have probably been conscripted to fight at the front. Go easy, they're learning on the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,124 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I don't think I have said it had to be one or the other, and if I did, it was in error. My preferred option would be to send both. I phrased it as I did to better make a point. Absolutely every single thing anyone and any country does to help Ukraine is to be welcomed and admired.

    The ambulances were a usefull gesture but would have been 100 times more so had they been full to the brim with AT4's or Javelins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    It should also be mentioned that a major problem with fighting in the east for Ukraine is that it's well outside their air defence and air cover zone based on everything we've seen so far: and it's within range of significant numbers of Russian airfields and supply routes.

    A pivot to the Donbass might very well see Russia having a lot more success than they have until now; and Ukraine taking a lot more losses.





  • That's the Daily Mail ****-stirring. Calm down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yeah you don't need to have an administration over a city when you have bombed it to rubble. If Russian forces can encircle it, then they can work on controlling counter-attacks and "hold" the city. I also think Ru will focus on getting this done with Mariupol and once done, they will dig in and focus heavily on securing as much of Donbas as possible. Ukrainian counter-attacks are vital. (Usual disclaimer, all just speculation on my part)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Ah, the Daily Mail. A Bastion of forthright Journalism. Well, well, well indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Once they have utterly wiped out Mariupol, which is realistically only a matter of days away

    Been hearing that every day for a month now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I know Ireland doesn't have many weapons to donate, but not doing it because "Ireland is militarily neutral" is not a good excuse. Other non-NATO EU countries have donated anti-tank weapons to Ukraine - even Sweden, who haven't fought any wars in ages, sent a bunch. And they all offer humanitarian support as well. It's not a competition of "who helps the most" or gets the best praise from president Zelenskiy, the idea is to stop Russian aggression in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    From the Guardian:

    Russian president Vladimir Putin on Friday slammed the west for discriminating against Russian culture, comparing the treatment of Russian cultural figures with that of “cancelled” Harry Potter author JK Rowling.

    At a televised meeting with leading cultural figures, Putin said the west was “trying to cancel a whole thousand-year culture, our people,” citing the cancellation of events involving Russian artists in some western countries.

    “They’re now engaging in the cancel culture, even removing Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich and Rachmaninov from posters, Russian writer and books are now cancelled,” Putin said.

    A number of events involving Russian cultural figures who have expressed their backing for the war have been cancelled, most notably concerts by the award-winning Russian conductor Valery Gergiev, a friend and supporter of Putin, who was part of the meeting on Friday.

    Some events involving dead Russian cultural figures have also been cancelled, with the Cardiff Philharmonic Orchestra removing the Russian composer Tchaikovsky from its programme, a move that was widely criticized by western cultural figures.

    Russian president Vladimir Putin said the west was “trying to cancel a whole thousand-year culture, our people.”


     Russian president Vladimir Putin said the west was “trying to cancel a whole thousand-year culture, our people.” Photograph: Mikhail Klimentyev/SPUTNIK/AFP/Getty Images

    Putin in his address added that the “last time” such a campaign was waged against “unwanted literature” was when Nazi supporters burned books in the 1930s.

    The Russian leader further compared the treatment Russia has received following the country’s invasion of Ukraine with the controversy surrounding British author JK Rowling’s comments on transgender people.

    “Recently they cancelled the children’s writer Joanne Rowling because she – the author of books that have sold 100s of millions of copies worldwide – fell out of favour with fans of so-called ‘gender freedoms.’ Today they want to cancel a whole thousand-year culture, our people,” Putin said.

    JK Rowling on Friday distanced herself from Putin’s comments by sharing an article about jailed Kremlin-critic Alexei Navalny on Twitter.

    “Critiques of western cancel culture are possibly not best made by those currently slaughtering civilians for the crime of resistance, or who jail and poison their critics,” the British author write, sharing the hashtag IStandWithUkraine.

    Putin has in the past repeatedly expressed his disdain of western “liberal” values, comparing cancel culture with the coronavirus.

    When asked last year by a Russian journalist about the “cancellation” of J.K. Rowling, Putin said that he “adhered to the traditional approach — a woman is a woman, a man is a man, a mother is a mother, a father is a father.”

    Andrei Kolesnikov of the Carnegie Moscow Center said that Putin’s adress on Friday gave another insight into the “distorted” view the Russian leader had of the west.

    “Putin uses the information he receives from advisors and then creates his own reality of the west,” Kolesnikov said.

    “He hears about some extreme examples that happen in the west and then convinces himself that this is the trend. He doesn’t like the nuance.”

    Kolesnikov said Friday’s meeting with the Russian cultural elite was also meant to show the Russian public that the west was waging a parallel cultural war against the country, four weeks after Moscow’s invasion into Ukraine.

    “Putin wants to tell Russians that they are under siege, also culturally. In his eyes, the west is in a relentless war against traditional Russian values.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Putin in his address added that the “last time” such a campaign was waged against “unwanted literature” was when Nazi supporters burned books in the 1930s.

    Ah listen to the muppet, what was one of the first things that the Russians did in the occupied territories back in 2014. That's right they gathered up Ukrainian Language books from the Libraries and Schools and torched them.

    If Vladimir Putin and his cronies represent "Russian Values" the sooner we cancel them the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,124 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Current ranking of book sales in the Russian officers PX:

    1) How to Use Semaphor to Signal Effectively

    2) Smoke signals, and How to Make Them

    3) Signal Fires - A Lost Art

    4) Proper Care and Feeding of the Foot Messenger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I wonder does he actually believe the sh1te he spouts. The west bad for cancelling events while he obliterates a sovereign country causing the death both innocent people and his own soldiers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,124 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




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