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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭mikewest


    Every country has its weak points and China is sitting right now on top of a gigantic property bubble that if they can't deflate slowly will utterly trash their economy should it burst. Much smaller targeted sanctions would pop that bubble and implode most if not all of their bluster. Right now they can't rock any boats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,822 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Who knows what Putin is planning, the losses are mouthing everyday, and his excuses for war have been proven to be paranoia, after all that he has done, both the West, and Ukraine haven't shot a single bullet on Russian soil. Russian shares a border with China, and North Korea, countries with Nuclear weapons, maybe he should be more concerned about them, not a peaceful Ukraine.



  • Posts: 5,121 [Deleted User]


    Anyone been watching Storyville on BBC2 tonight about Dozhd, an independent start up TV station in Russia that got on the wrong side of Putin? Would recommend. Really feel for the young, naive, people who were trying to start something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    China don't know how to fight a war - they may well have gear, but until they take it for a spin, quite how they perform is an open and unanswered question. Unlike the US, which is professional from top to bottom, the Chinese army is riddled with corruption and CCP sleazes on the make. Chinese national morale is an open question as well, when the only sons start coming back in boxes (or not at all) don't underestimate the widespread cultural effect of that.

    A lot of American power projection ability is their logistics capacity, which is unmatched. Quite how China would perform attempting even to take Taiwan on this front is another matter of uncertainty. Russia just had to cross a border and they're floundering; the Chinese have to mount a massive naval operation across a treacherous straight, establish a credible landing party that doesn't get lit up immediately, and then supply them to take an island that has been prepping militarily for half a century.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,898 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    You can imagine a few Russian soldiers asking each other over the last while

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @threeball China must be rubbing their hand with glee over what's transpired over the last 4 weeks. Their position as number 2 superpower is now beyond doubt. Russia barely qualify anymore and its quite conceivable that they're as low as 7th or 8th.

    Before this Russia was about 8th on the superpower scale , it's safe to say they not even top 10 and it's going to get worse the longer this goes on ,

    Remember Russia wanted to get India to help develop their new Su57 stealth fighter and in return Russia would sell India ships for their navy ,now it turns out Russia's super duper stealth fighter can be detected and tracked by 4th Generation fighter aircraft , which Russia spent billions for 6 aircraft that is no better than their current generation of fighter jets,and China is no better they for a number of years tried to develop their own rifle for their military again big spend compared to others but recently they went back to AK and M4 copy rifles because their home grown rifles were terrible , everything else is stolen from other countries and untested in combat compared to western countries and America who have developed their systems of decades and and know how and where and when to use specific air, naval , ground units,

    China is pretty much untested since the end of the Korean war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    Bit of a strange one.

    This is from the 'manila bulletin website. Dated March 17. It's the latest information I can see.


    A Korean YouTuber and former Korean Navy officer who went to Ukraine to help the country fight the war against Russia is facing imprisonment in South Korea after he and two colleagues violated a government-imposed travel ban.


    Rhee Ken, 37, and his two companions went to Ukraine. He announced on March 6 that he was leaving for Ukraine to be a volunteer soldier. They arrived in Ukraine on March 7.

    He runs the YouTube channel Rokseal and is a founder of the military consulting firm Rokseal. His bio on the company website listed Rhee as UDT/Seal Platoon Commander of Special Missions Unit, Seal Delivery Vehicle Unit and Naval Special Warfare Center; private military contractor; DOS security investigator; United Nations security officer; and Rokseal founder.

    However, his two companions left Ukraine and arrived in South Korea on March 16, leaving Rhee by himself.

    “My teammates have safely left Ukraine, and I am here by myself now. There is a lot to do here,” said Rhee in an Instagram post, according to the Korea JoongAng Daily.

    In South Korea, Rhee is facing imprisonment, fine and cancellation of his passport for violating the government travel ban to Ukraine.

    Last Feb. 12, the Korean government imposed a Level 4 restriction (travel ban) for all Korean nationals from going to Ukraine starting on Feb. 13 due to the situation in that country.

    Rhee went to Ukraine without the Korean government’s permission. According to a post by Korea’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, if a Korean national goes to Ukraine without permission, he will be subjected to criminal punishment and administrative sanctions for violating the country’s passport law.

    If found guilty, Rhee may be imprisoned for up to one year or subjected to a fine of 10 million won ($8.249).

    The Korean government may order Rhee to return his passport. If not returned, the passport will be canceled. Rhee’s application for a new passport may be rejected or restricted.

    Last March 8, the foreign affairs ministry stated that “recently, there was a media report that Korean citizens entered Ukraine without permission to participate in the Ukrainian government foreign corps without obtaining permission to use an exceptional passport.”

    It reiterated the criminal and administrative punishments that may be imposed on any citizen violating the travel ban to Ukraine.

    The foreign ministry filed a complaint with the police on March 10 against Rhee and his two companions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    They've captured a load of useless junk.

    The proliferation of precision guided anti-tank weapons has rendered tanks and vehicles obsolete. If you're a Russian soldier in hostile territory, do you really want to be sat in an extremely slow vehicle, with limited line of sight, and effectively no armour resistance (the Javelin missile strikes from above where there's basically no armour). Sure, they have big guns, but what are they shooting at? Young lads in a ditch with an anti-tank weapon on their shoulder?

    Apparently the Russian troops are camped out in NW-Kiev, sitting in their vehicles with the engines on (because they're cold). Even at night, they're sitting ducks, thermal imaging isn't expensive these days. A Ukrainian with a bicycle and an NLAW is essentially as effective as a T-whatever-you-want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭threeball


    Yes but we can't afford to pop that bubble either as we're sitting on mountains of debt ourselves in the west and rely on cheap Chinese goods to keep the show on the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I remember back in the day when you bought something and it would last forever...

    Insert Simpsons Grandpa gif



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Capturing tanks is still worthwhile even if it's only to rip stuff out of them and render them inoperable for any potential aggressor (especially one who's having a hard time sourcing replacement parts).



  • Posts: 192 [Deleted User]


    That Korean story doesn’t really sit very well when you consider that South Korea depends enormously on US military support to avoid issues with DPRK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Has this 40 mile convoy disappeared or was it ever even there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's spread out a little more around Kiev but they went from being 15km to Kiev to 50 km to Kiev and likely will be pushed back even further



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    For sure, it's good to deny the enemy mobility. I am just making the point that a lot of the vehicles that are being abandoned are basically useless in this sort of war. When you look at all the surveillance that's going on, hopping into a vehicle looks an awful lot like death sentence to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Somebody should have told the Russians. Could have left them back at the depot and had them melted down into baby formula.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Not as strange as the Korean who was captured in German uniform by the Allies on D-Day. It was discovered that he'd originally been conscripted by the Japanese, captured by the Russians at Khalkhin Gol in 1939, released into the (short of manpower) Red Army in 1942, captured by the Germans at Kharkiv in 1943, put into uniform and sent to Normandy as part of an Ostabteilung (a German unit consisting of ex-Russian soldiers) in 1944. Shipped to a prison camp in the US, he became a US citizen, dying in 1992.

    If the story is true, then Yang Kyoungjong (for 'twas his name) may be the only person to have served in three different armies during WW2. Unfortunately, it probably isn't true as evidence is lacking and there is a lot of doubt about it.

    Photo of a "Young Japanese" soldier captured at Utah beach who may (or may not) be the same person. Reports say that four "Asians in German uniform" were captured there that day:

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    (From the look on his face, it's not difficult to imagine him thinking "Three effing armies...right that's my lot, I'm done with this sh1t...")



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    No point having em gathering dust may aswell give to the lads that actually need and will use em. Our defense force is so badly ran and underfunded its pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    its more dangerous now than ever that them brain dead's are losing so badly it's gonna make them desperate and desperate is unpredictable...NATO really needs to give these morons a way out before auld vlad doubles down on his stupidity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,037 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Back in the day, Grozny ( and Chechnya in general) was littered with un-exploded munitions, everything from rockets to mortars, but mainly rockets. The mortars worked much better in terms of the Nrs that exploded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    They d probably get lost on the way even if they could get there 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    The only "way out" at this stage is defeat and demilitarisation and nuclear disarmament.

    Russia has lost militarily, economically and morally.

    What needs to happen next is to rein in China and India.

    If they trade with Russia then we don't trade with them.

    It's like the old adage "you're either with us or against us".

    If they don't play ball then they should face the same isolation as Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    They'd prob be alright in a defensive capacity like park it in a building and use it as anti tank but as an attacking asset out in the open? stone useless they offer about as much protection as umbrellas these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    So long as there is no answer for nukes russia always has a hand unfortunately no one is going to make them demilitarize, china and india are the same boat and isolating them is a no go it d be drawing official lines for ww3.



  • Posts: 192 [Deleted User]


    The problem with nuclear weapons, and particularly on that scale, is that they completely change what a conflict is and remove the possibility of dealing with a despotic power that has them.

    Every moral fibre says go on and save Ukraine but the miserable, awful and utterly frustrating reality of it is they’ve a shield or a doomsday machine, which is making them too dangerous to touch.

    It’s the same pathetic tactic of a suicide bomber or a psycho with a machine gun in a some awful mass shooting. There nothing diplomatic, noble, respectable or anything else in this. It’s the worst aspect of humanity and the lowest of the low in terms of leadership or governance.

    There’s no grand vision or anything optimistic just a stupid territory grab justified by a self told myth and backed up with a constant threat of unthinkable levels of violence and genocide.

    Russia is demonstrating exactly what the risk has always been with nuclear weapons.

    There isn’t really any possible scenario where there’s a winner. It would just be billions dead, either through direct impact of weapons, slow death by radiation poisoning or starvation and it would end modern civilisation. Billions of years of evolution ended by a psycho with too much power and a big red button.

    They are the most stupid and dangerous thing humans have ever built. The fact that people - engineers with skills and intelligence actually sit down and design these things is just profoundly depressing.

    This is where we are though. We aren’t looking at WWII or any of the smaller wars that happened since and those tactics don’t work in a situation like this.

    It’s an impossible mess driven by I don’t know what tbh.

    It’s sickening and utterly head wrecking. I’m at the stage I’ve practically no faith in humanity anymore. As a species we are just idiotic savages. Here we are in the 2020s and you’ve a country threatening the annihilation of civilisation, destroying lives, causing millions to have to flee as they wreck a whole country.

    Despite all the progress, the development of liberal democracy, advances in human rights and freedoms and amazing technology and everything else we have achieved - art, culture, music, science, space exploration … here we are again … the ****ing doomsday clock (a metaphor that shouldn’t even have to exist) is threatening to tick to midnight and this happens again, and again and again …

    The sheer arrogant stupidity of it is just beyond my comprehension and most of us are powerless to ever do anything about it and these psychopaths keep getting into absolute power in various societies and it just repeats and repeats and repeats.

    Goodnight!



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    The thing is it might not just be humans... it might be a life thing... it's a theory why we don't see signs of life elsewhere in the universe. Species advance so far that they destroy themselves within a relatively brief period. It's a depressing thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I have been thinking.


    I think Putin's request that the west pay in roubles (incidentally i have just realized it is spelt roubles not rubles just shows how seldom the currency is in the press) is a mistake. And not just that it shows Putin is not receiving good advice and is not economically educated.


    You never ever sell something for unstable currency. You sell 100 dollars worth of oil today that is 10,175 rubles. But tomorrow 10.175 rubles can be worth only 80 dollars. Congratulations you sold 100 dollars of oil for 80 dollars.


    He expects the rouble to rally faster than it can. He also expects that russian traders will not see through govt intervention and manipulation of the market which is not sustainable long term.


    He is actually only going to shrink russian assets.


    He should have asked for payment in gold if he wanted to punish the dollar or other currencies.


    This can't repair the rouble. But it can devalue oil profits. You never sell internationally to unstable currency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Well lets look on the bright side.


    When looking for aliens who are advanced enough for space travel across vast distances, at least that means they have evolved technologically far enough to do that and must have crossed along a lot of stops on the way that could have let to their annihilation. But they didn't annihilate themselves meaning any aliens that visit us are maybe less likely to be invading and more likely to be on a mission of peace? Because they would have to be from peaceful societies to get this far without destroying themselves. ??? Yeah no?? dunno


    A very technologically advanced society like the MOST technologically advanced society that you could imagine ...would be more peaceful and much less warlike.


    The more technologically advanced you get the more peaceful you have to be to survive that advancement. So the super advanced species are going to be REALLY peaceful!.


    Or else immortal and can't die like we can.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    I must try and give this a look. Also Intrigued by your name…..would have to say it’s one of the strangest ines in boards.ie??



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