Russia - threadbanned users in OP

jmayo · 24-03-2022 08:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830710#Comment_118830710

What a load of horseshyte.

Ukraine would have regress hundreds of years to become Afghanistan.

And do you suddenly expect them to all become staunch devout muslims and break into tribes overnight ?

Sure they might as well go the whole hog and start growing poppies.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-03-2022 08:03PM

Unsurprisingly the head of Russia's Central Bank, knowing the sh!tstorm to come, wanted to resign.

Putin said no.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/russia-central-banker-wanted-out-over-ukraine-but-putin-said-no-1.1741852

Poor woman.

Russia’s highly regarded central bank Governor Elvira Nabiullina sought to resign after Vladimir Putin ordered an invasion of Ukraine, only to be told by the president to stay, according to four people with knowledge of the discussions.

Nominated for a new five-year term last week, Nabiullina’s current views couldn’t be learned. She is left to manage the fallout from a war that’s quickly undone much of what’s she’s accomplished in the nine years since she took office. The people said departure now would be seen as a betrayal by the president, with whom she has worked closely for nearly two decades.

Nabiullina, 58, hasn’t commented publicly on her reappointment and didn’t respond to a query for this article. Spokespeople for the central bank and the Kremlin didn’t reply to requests for comment. Only one senior official has quit over the war: longtime economic reformer Anatoly Chubais stepped down as Putin’s climate envoy this week and left the country, according to people familiar with the situation.

Nabiullina, favored by investors and hailed by publications including Euromoney and The Banker as one of the world’s best monetary policymakers, now faces a wartime economy isolated by international sanctions and starved for investment as foreign companies leave.

JoChervil · 24-03-2022 08:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830242#Comment_118830242

HerrKapitan · 24-03-2022 08:05PM

https://youtu.be/ujSFOVQUsiU

24-03-2022 08:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830616#Comment_118830616

I would prefer that their propaganda was widely available so we could see it for exactly what it is.

Not as counter balance.

You did frame that as if I would "prefer" to watch russian media than I would traditional western media. Not sure if it was intentional but I would hazard a guess that it was.

I'm not concerned about them getting their story across, I am concerned that we don't see how they are getting their story across unless it is shown to us via Western media.

I get that you want to make it out as if I am banging the Kremlin drum, but no matter how much you and others want to frame it, I have said nothing of the sort.

I'm not fretting, I'm giving my opinion and discussing an extremely important situation.

There's no need to be a dick and frame it as anything other than that just because we disagree on other topics.

odyssey06 · 24-03-2022 08:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830755#Comment_118830755

Did we miss all your earlier posts of concern about Ukranian children.

The post that you took issue with was about Russian children maybe not having access to baby formula.

Any concern for Ukranian children had to be dragged out of you by other posters.

While half the children in Ukraine are displaced, some of been taken hospital, some are under siege deprived of food and medicine and over a hundred are dead.

But yeah you have to challenge the Western narrative as not entirely accurate. Meanwhile Russia invents new lies every day you never challenge.

Your both sidesism is wearing very thin.

Sand · 24-03-2022 08:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830779#Comment_118830779

Hundreds of years? How far as Mariupol regressed in one month?

Yurt2 · 24-03-2022 08:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830777#Comment_118830777

The only LOL is you resurfacing on the thread after thoroughly embarrassing yourself saying that Russia would not invade Ukraine and it was all Western hot air.

I'd have deleted my profile, disappeared into the forest never to return to boards if I got something so badly wrong and was so obnoxious in the course of doing so.

You called that wrong so badly wrong, where's your credibility in sounding off about China?

Sand · 24-03-2022 08:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830799#Comment_118830799

LMAO

24-03-2022 08:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830768#Comment_118830768

How can you even compare Taliban/Mujahedeen to Ukranian army?

Not to mention Afghanistan is a country with mountains,where Ukraine is flat nearly with large cities.

And insurgency with Insurgents hiding in Caves and riding on horseback,doing suicide bombings is not what is happening in Ukraine,its missiles and artillery shelling large cities,and Ukrainian army fighting back with atgms,rpgs and artllery and drones.

Learn the difference between insurgency and conventional warfare

cnocbui · 24-03-2022 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830337#Comment_118830337

Something that's actually real would be unnoticeable in the fetid swamp of negative bilge and invented grievences the Russian leadership concocts about the west and feeds relentlessly to the people of Russia, so personally I wouldn't be going getting too concerned about it.

24-03-2022 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830629#Comment_118830629

You keep bringing up Easter eggs as if I mentioned that.

For the last time, I said I would not criticise a company for supplying baby formula to Russian people.

That was it. Nothing about Easter eggs. Nothing at all.

Everything else you have levelled at me, which has incredibly been repeated as my opinion by numerous others who think like you, is your overactive imagination and projection.

If you refuse to (or can't) discuss this topic without arguing in bad faith, then perhaps a discussion board isn't for you.

Yurt2 · 24-03-2022 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830801#Comment_118830801

You think it wouldn't come back to haunt you that you were one of the obnoxious ringleaders of Putinites that was abusing people left right and center and were stating Russia would never invade Ukraine?

I warned you at the time you wouldn't be able to live it down if the invasion went ahead (which I assessed as highly likely), and a month later, it's worth reminding you.

JoChervil · 24-03-2022 08:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830269#Comment_118830269

I'm starting to think, that such massive thing can be a CIA job, as well as deaths of so many generals...

TheTruth89 · 24-03-2022 08:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830799#Comment_118830799

Remember the ones at the start of this thread that were convinced the invasion was a hoax and all US propaganda and wouldnt hear anything else lol

Boggles · 24-03-2022 08:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830792#Comment_118830792

I'm not concerned about them getting their story across, I am concerned that we don't see how they are getting their story across unless it is shown to us via Western media.

Huh?

Why would anyone be concerned by that?

The vast amount of interviews from the Kremlin spokespeople are shown unedited on "western media".

So again how are they not getting their "story" out?

If you could answer without calling me names I'd appreciate it.

Sand · 24-03-2022 08:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830822#Comment_118830822

I'm not making the comparison. Those who claim/hope Ukraine will be Russia's Afghanistan are making that claim. I'm just pointing out to those who are making the comparison that Ukraine beings Russia's Afghanistan is a very bad outcome for Ukraine also.

Beasty · 24-03-2022 08:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830801#Comment_118830801

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830732#Comment_118830732

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830777#Comment_118830777

If that's your attitude to this crisis do not post in this thread again

24-03-2022 08:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830847#Comment_118830847

Its a bad comparison,its Russias new Chechnya

Dohnjoe · 24-03-2022 08:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830768#Comment_118830768

It's not Afghanistan, nor a "crisis".

It's an invasion of Ukraine by Russia in 2022 with modern weaponry. The Russians have 10k deaths and 10%+ vehicles/equipment losses of their entire invasion force after just 1 month. If that continues, Russia will have very serious issues in 10 months, not 10 years.

24-03-2022 08:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830842#Comment_118830842

Because I think it is very important to see exactly how they are framing this rather than be told by our media how they see them framing it.

TheTruth89 · 24-03-2022 08:25PM

At this point it must be considered a military defeat for Russia? They have a depleted force with no morale, 0 organization, low on resources and equipment all at best facing into a western backed insurgency which they will eventually lose too.

Yurt2 · 24-03-2022 08:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830871#Comment_118830871

The one thing you'll note about countries like China and Russia, their outward-facing spokespeople are incredibly bellicose and incompetent in communicating with non-domestic media.

Their media landscape being what it is and their political systems being shielded from fourth estate scrutiny, they are completely at sea and unaccustomed to what they see as hostile questioning. Western politicians for the most part are hardened to journalistic rigour - but Chinese and Russian political figures immediately adopt a "how dare you" stance when communicating with the international press. Because, and this is no joke (and apologists should really meditate on this) journalists in China and Russia can end up on a slab or disappeared for doing their job in that way.

A second-order phenomenon is that so bamboozled are they by having to answer serious questions about their government's behaviour, they forget why they are there. They cease even trying to explain their position in terms that come across as credible to a Western audience, so they decide "well, my boss can't fire me if I just go ballistic and nationalistic, and it might play well at home."

Net effect: Western media consumers think they are insane (which sometimes, they might well be as they wormed their way to the top of a deeply corrupt political system) and nationalists at home get their jollies off from a gov. spokesperson "sticking one to the West".

An exception to this is a communicator like King Abdullah of Jordan or the Singaporean PM Lee Hsien Loong, who despite running countries with questionable democratic credentials, are extremely skilled communicators to the international media - putting their points across effectively, even if we may find some of what they say unpalatable to our delicate Western liberal ears.

Finnbar01 · 24-03-2022 08:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118828572#Comment_118828572

So Putin should have invaded Ukraine when Trump was in power?

pjohnson · 24-03-2022 08:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830871#Comment_118830871

Promoting and spreading Russian propaganda is the last thing any sane person should want to do ffs.

24-03-2022 08:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830794#Comment_118830794

No you didn't miss them at all. I would have taken it that most rational people's default setting would be that they were exceptionally concerned about Ukrainian men women and children.

Nothing was "dragged out of me".

Another disgusting framing of my position that holds no basis in reality.

And then you double down saying I don't question Russia's narrative even though I have said on numerous occasions that they aren't to be trusted but I would like to hear what they are saying.

Accusing me of both sideism when I have clearly said I oppose Russia and support Ukraine.

**** hell.

Boggles · 24-03-2022 08:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830871#Comment_118830871

They are framing it in out and out lies, I just gave you a bat shít example from Russian State Tv.

Again

The vast amount of interviews from the Kremlin spokespeople are shown unedited on "western media".

Western Media also broadcast unedited Kremlin press conferences from the equivalent of their press secretary?

So again how are they not getting their "story" out?

24-03-2022 08:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830922#Comment_118830922

Promoting and spreading any propaganda isn't a great idea. I'd rather know what is being said. Just my opinion ffs

Boggles · 24-03-2022 08:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830952#Comment_118830952

What is stopping you?

It's been broadcast daily.

ronivek · 24-03-2022 08:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118830871#Comment_118830871

I mean the Western focused Russian outlets won’t show you that; they’ll show you how Russia wants to frame it to those in the West who already have various anti-Western or pro-Russian views.

Unless you’re fluent in Russian you’ll also struggle to find what you’re looking for because any subtitle track might not be accurate either intentionally or unintentionally.

The more widely shared stuff is probably accurate but also tends to be the most bonkers stuff; like the angry old Russian men who want to carve a path through Europe to Kaliningrad and lob a few nukes to put the West in their place.

Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Comments