"Green" policies are destroying this country

Not only is it, but you then follow up the above denial with a paragraph of whataboutery again. See below

Anyway,moving on

Who said it would lead to lower cost electricity at this stage of the transition?

Asked and answered on a regular basis on this thread. You're a regular contributor here so it's strange that you would ask this. I even posted a reply to tom1ie within the last 2 days. You're welcome to have a look.

Just a clarification, it was a cabinet decision, i.e. FF, FG and GP cabinet members signed off and approved the ban.

Again another clarification required here. The PfG states that LNG terminals make no sense for Ireland so they have no intention or interest in developing them.

There is an active PP application with ABP for a terminal in Shannon.

There is a PMB from Nessa Hourigan looking to ban LNG terminals.

Her bill will not prevent the Shannon terminal from being built if granted and the Irish market is not big enough for 2 terminals given the long term prospects of such an investment.

So in effect its a publicity stunt that has no bearing on the real situation. Wouldn't be the first time a politician has pulled a stroke like that.

And again, allow me to clarify your misunderstanding of the situation.

The peat power stations had to close as their planning permission had expired and attempts to extend it were rejected by the planning authority.

Given that, there is no feasible approach that could pass a planning application again.

Nuclear power is currently not possible in Ireland due to the legislation that prevents it. Like literally says "no feckin nuke power on irish soil". Only way to change that would be to change the legislation, which there is virtually no support for.

In addition nuke plants are utterly bonkers economically and you can't build 1,you have to have a second as these are baseload stations and when a nuke plant goes down, it can sometimes be months or years before they come back online.

Big risk to take.

Well yeah, they emit a crap ton of, well, crap, into the air. They need to be shutdown but its not like we're just going to be shutting the down and leaving a void.

Note, Moneypoint is already being lined up with a far more important role down the line. The transmission infrastructure is already there so it's not going to be left idle. Its very likely that Tarbert will be pivoted also to serve as a connection point for offshore wind.

I'm not going to get involved in the nuclear vs. LPG debate, for the very simple reason that I dont have the necessary knowledge to contribute .

I'm also going to choose to accept the broad definition of "Green policies", rather than making an argument that is pro, or anti Green Party (No, I don't vote for them).

I suspect most Western Countries are fiddling while Rome burns, tbh.

I don't understand why legislation is not put in place to limit plastic packaging, as opposed to forcing the consumer to pay for the packaging, then pay for the waste disposal, and resultant carbon from lorries transporting said packaging across the Country. Surely it would be more carbon efficient to just limit the amount of plastic that can be used in the first place?

I don't understand why supermarkets are not encouraged to sell food in smaller quantities, thus avoiding waste.

I don't understand why airlines fly across the Atlantic (and elsewhere), with passenger numbers well below capacity - surely there has to be a better system? Meanwhile, Joe Soap is penalised for driving to work!

In short - I don't understand why the end consumer pays for everything, despite having very limited choice on how goods are either packaged, or disposed of.

I'm in favour of saving the planet. I'm in favour of Green policies. I just don't agree with either the logic of the policies being forced on people, or, the fact that said policies are imposed without affordable alternatives for many people.

In my opinion, theres no point in giving tax breaks on electric vehicles if

A: You can't afford to buy one in the first place, and

B: There aren't enough charge points available to get you where you want to go.

Lastly, do people seriously think they should get to dictate what people are going to eat?

Meanwhile, it's acceptable for cut flowers to be flown all over the world, and no-one says a word?

Lastly, how is it acceptable that a lot of delegates at Ecofin flew in on private jets, then encourage policies to penalise those who use less carbon driving to work all year, than is used in one or two trips in their private jets.

As I said, I'm in favour of green policies - but I'd like to see affordable alternatives in place before penalising those who have no choice. I'd also like to see something remotely like common sense being used to promote sustainable policies, as opposed to using the climate crises as a money grabbing exercise.

I can understand your point re: second hand electric cars. Having said that, having to possibly replace a battery is going to put a lot of people off. As to charge points, there's one in my local village, then none for 30 miles... there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that the majority of people in this area are going to go electric anytime soon!

The answer to multipacks is pretty simple. Large supermarket chains get price reductions for bulk purchases. The thing is, not everyone is going to use a multipack of apples, oranges, or A.N Other before they spoil. The end result is supermarkets sell more, hence, greater profits, but the consumer and the environment loses...

Apologies, I wasn't referring specifically to vegetables or fruits out of season when I mentioned people being dictated to about what they eat, I was referring to comments earlier in the thread about beef being unsustainable for the environment. With all due respect to the poster in question, if I want to eat steak or a beef stew, someone telling me nuts are a more sustainable substitute isn't going to make me choose to have nuts for dinner.

I agree that people have become accustomed to having vegetables and fruits out of season, and that its not sustainable. Having said that, we imported over 10.1 billion in agrifoods in 2020 - items such as potatoes, onions, cabbage and carrots - all of which we are capable of producing ourselves, (and to a higher standard, imho), and some of which was imported while it was in season here. Trade agreements are outside of consumer control, yet they have an impact on both producers and consumers in this Country.

My point is that the consumer is always made to pay - but often doesn't have an alternative.

Personally, I'd prefer to buy local produce - yet if I want to buy milk from the local farmer, he cannot legally sell it to me.

These are issues that I've never heard any Green policy activist mention, yet, they are discussions that need to be had, if policymakers are remotely serious about halting climate change.