Russia - threadbanned users in OP

See theres the problem, we have started the habit of accommodating putins bullshit, we need to remember and remind putin we have nukes too, otherwise putin can essentially invade anyone that isnt NATO and no one can stop him.

Nato is ran by the US, France and UK. None will suffer if Ukraine falls and none of them have the political stomach to bring their country to war. The Eastern block would go to war in the morning if they thought the big boys would back them. Which they won't

I agree completely. It's possible that us would have more appetite because they feel relatively safe even in an all out war but western Europe will never agree to a war unless they are forced kicking and screaming into it.

We cannot buy our security, our freedom from the threat of the bomb by committing an immorality so great as to say to 44 million human beings now being massacred by Russia, "Give up your dreams of freedom because to save our own skins, we're willing to make a deal with your enemy. Alexander Hamilton said, "A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one."

Ronald Regan's speech is fairly applicable in these times!

I think Russia would consider it an invasion of Russia, they would mobilize the entire country and even when pushed back, you would be dealing with years of fighting and missile launches and naval battles with submarines, assainations on NATO soil etc, everything would come into play as the Russian propaganda would be a fight for Russian freedom.

Russian stock market is set to open tomorrow. I don't think it will be the Armageddon people think. There will be nobody to buy the stock for it to be sold. If the stock drops so much in value, it wouldn't be worth selling right now either. The people that will suffer will be folks who are due to retire soon. The wealthy folk can hang onto it.

Like I said, Russia won't leave its borders to attack nato so essentially you'll have to attack Russia which leaves you with a much greater chance of escalating to the level everyone wants to avoid. Do it now. Fcuk him up on Ukrainian soil and we'll reduce alot of hardship on all sides , including reducing the risk of nuclear reaction

Thats just it, theirs alot of picking and choosing who's worth saving and who's not it is sick and we should be threatening Russia with a full force response and the destruction of everything russian within ukraines boarders not pandering to appease Putin.

I don't think Russia calls all the shots. Hundreds of casualties every day and difficult logistics will erode their fighting ability. Also, Ukraine would have an endless supply of weapons from the west.

If Ukraine had of capitulated after a few days then possibly but not now. Look at what Russia has lost so far, imagine if this drags on for another few months. Like soldiers they can replace faster then vehicles, there loosing so much they won't be able to. Plus if Ukraine does fall tons and tons of weapons will be given to the Finnish and Moldova. I would of said Moldova for sure if Ukraine had of been out of the fight after a few days and not much losses on Russian side, but that didn't happen. Finland I say thats a long off pipe dream for any Russian invasion.

No, they can still lose as well as win.

Savagery is their only winning option.

Russians in Finland are a tiny minority. Well, the ones who actually lived there, I mean. There have obviously been Russians heading across that border since the last few weeks to escape Russia. It would be interesting mental gymnastics, if nothing else, from Putin to try and justify an invasion on the basis of protecting people who actively wanted to get away from him and the country as it exists under him.

If some of the clips I've seen on twitter are correct it looks like they are bringing vehicles that were mothballed out of retirement. Can't wait to see them raiding the museum's for T34s.

Lavrov talking that other day about it being a uni-polar world shows a certain entitlement in Russian thinking. It also shows a plain denial about their place in the world. Firstly, the world is not 'uni-polar'. It may only seem that way to a Russian who cannot comprehend one of the poles not being Russia. Clearly, the other pole in the world is China and has been for quite some time. It is they who will dominate the east, not Russia.