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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,368 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    What should we do with illegal immigrants? How about send them home when identified, or better yet, enforce effective controls in the first place.

    There are several ways for people to apply to live and work here. There's no need or reason to justify illegal immigration. It's also a slap in the face to those who do go through the correct channels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Which country has been able to do the above?

    How is it a slap in face for people going via the correct channels?

    We also have spent years asking for the US to allow Irish illegal immigrants access but when it comes to Ireland we don't?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    So you are saying that the best solution is to encourage more illegal immigrants to arrive, as they will end up being legalised anyway?

    And it's a shortcut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Can you please highlight the section when I said that?

    Thank you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    There should be no attempt to legalise people who are here illegally. Being deported is the risk people take if they enter a country illegally and that goes for Irish illegals as well.

    What should be done is a better process for dealing with people here illegally and not this never ending appeals process that is doing anyone any favours.

    I also think anyone here from another country that commits a crime serves their sentences here and are then escorted from the prison when the sentence is over to the airport and deported on the first flight and same should be done for Irish people who commit crimes in other countries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    How would that work? so a mother commits a crime(shop lifting) but her children/husband etc are integrated into the community, working etc. Are you now going to deport the entire family?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Ah here we go, of course an appeal in certain cases but I stand by the person committing the crime is deported. Like coming into a country illegally and being deported if a crime is committed in that country then anyone person who is not a citizen gets deported.

    What's wrong with having rules like this? I would be the same on irish criminals commit the crime do the time. These are the chances people take when partaking in illegal activity whether its entering a country illegally or commiting crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Why is that the only scenario (worst case it would seem) you would choose. Why not pick from the possibly thousands who don't have an integrated family, and haven't necessarily committed any crime. Also, if she commits any crime and did get deported, a) she knew the risks, it's on her not the rest of the legally abiding world and b) they can go visit her, same as any other criminals family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Standard response unfortunately always the pick the hard ones or those that tug on the heartstrings. I fully expect the usual 4 or 5 posters will be on to gang up on me.

    As I said if someone comes here illegally they are accepting the consequences of being sent home and why shouldn't a person here illegally be sent home if they commit a crime matter how integrated they or their family are. They committed the crime they knew the consequences and should be prepared to accept those consequences.

    Seems to be nowadays that there are no consequences for criminal/illegal activity be it done by politicians or other citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    In other words you have no idea how to implement and the appeals process if implemented would takes years and years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I am still waiting for the highlighted section from your post above?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Typical response, you have no idea of a,b or c. It's a public forum I didn't realise you needed to be a legislator post on here. Is that a requirement now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I am still waiting on the answer to that question in the post you are talking about highlighting.

    And the following one too, now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Another one of these accounts 🤦‍♂️

    As per above. You responded to my post saying I wanted "to encourage more illegal immigrants to arrive, as they will end up being legalised anyway?" Please highlight the section in my post when I said anything of the sort? Thank you.

    You came up with an "proposal", one question and the whole thing fell to pieces. That's my fault how exactly?

    So you want to deport anyone who commits a crime. So automatically everyone will say what about them having a family. It is hardly like I came up with a ridiculous situation that would be very rare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    What are you talking about? What is one of these accounts? If you have a problem with my account or what I have posted then I suggest you report it.

    As it was you that was going on about not have an idea of creating legislation and I replied that it I didn't think that was a requirement to post on a public forum and you seem to have a problem with that. I won't be asking that game with you. As I said if you have a problem report it to the moderator and let them deal with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I was clearly asking the other account and not you. That’s why I quoted their post and posted under it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    The question still applies what do you mean by one of these accounts? The poster that you asking has over 9,000 posts and you have over 500 so if anyone has to ask is it one of those accounts maybe it should be asked of you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Another one of what accounts?

    You have literally chosen to quote part of my question 😂 including the question mark, now try answering it instead of deflecting and selective quoting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Every posts is a ridiculous lie, twisting posts and then run off hiding when challenge



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    How predictable…no new material?

    Strange that none of these people on Twitter post the full video when he was talking about mental health?

    Maybe instead of sharing silly video off a cess pool like twitter and watch the full video. Then discuss it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,567 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Says the poster posting 5 second TiK Tok clips when it suits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Point out a single lie from any of my posts.

    Weren't you citing LinkedIn the other day as though it was the best social media place to get information from, at the same time berating Twitter. Yet when I pointed out that they are both equally useless you attempted to tell me I didn't understand LinkedIn..

    It might be almost time to close account and re-reg again, your useless post count is starting to build up and may backfire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I have no interest in going back and forward for pages. I asked you to highlight the section, you ignored and that's your choice. That's the end of it as far as I am concerned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I had asked you that question first. If it is a question that you are incapable of answering that is fine, just say it.

    You asked me after my question was posted and referring to my question, as yet another attempt at crap deflection. In future just type "Ditto to my last 539 posts" it's all you seem to post.

    and - Top job this government is doing, They do not have one single flaw. Unbelievable as it may seem, not a single one. Wows. - Type nonsense.

    (Oh yeah, and the real nonsense posts 😳 in another thread. That was just embarrassing... 😂)


    Now I am off to cut the grass, so you may continue with you sh*tposting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Edit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,368 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Ah the good old US argument. That one is easy - if someone is in a country illegally they should be deported.. I don't give a toss what nationality they are.

    As for how we do it... Well at point of entry, if someone can't present valid documentation to show they have an entitlement to be here (eg: EU citizens) then they are refused entry and put on the first plane to wherever they came from.

    If they claim asylum or refugee status, they should be held in a purpose built facility beside the port/airport until their claim can be verified.

    If they are discovered in the back of a container, immediate deportation back to the point of origin.

    That would be a start!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Sounds simple, is that not Ireland and every other country in the World is currently doing? And failing

    As I already mentioned it is clear that ireland has illegals already in the country and they are not going to suddenly fly out to get caught. So either you can bring them into ireland as citizen so they can make a proper life for themselves and their children. Or keep them as outcasts and end up with issues long term.


    The US thing? I live the way people cast away something when it doesn’t suit their point, ireland has lobbied for years to get Irish in America citizenship yet we turn our noses up here

    What is the issue with keeping people who have made a life here? These people are working, have children etc in Ireland. It’s strange to me who travelled and worked around the World and was always accepted in every country because of the reputation the Irish have, that at home we don’t offer the same courtesy to other nationalities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,368 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Did you enter and work in those countries illegally, or did you meet their visa and employment requirements and guidelines?

    If the former then you should have been refused entry or deported. If the latter then why is it any different for people coming here?

    Your argument is basically "shure they're here already and they have lives and children" which, I'm sorry, is a nonsense counterpoint. "Outcasts and issues" - so?? Should I feel sorry for people who don't even respect our country enough to be here legally?

    They shouldn't be here in the first place, they know it, we know it, so why should we turn a blind eye? Should we drop any pretense of immigration controls completely then in that case?

    It is entirely normal for a country to have immigration controls and require new arrivals to apply via legitimate entry methods and respect our laws. Just because they haven't been caught (yet) does not excuse this and nor should we just ignore it because they might have to face the consequences - the same as would happen in any other country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    "What is the issue with keeping people who have made a life here? These people are working, have children etc in Ireland."

    "As I already mentioned it is clear that ireland has illegals already in the country and they are not going to suddenly fly out to get caught. So either you can bring them into ireland as citizen so they can make a proper life for themselves and their children. Or keep them as outcasts and end up with issues long term."

    What issues long term?

    What about the others that are queuing and filling out forms, and following the proper route to get an Irish citizenship?

    Who is is working, has children and made a life here the majority of them, or the minority? The ones that now have a family and have made a life for themselves, it's not really a life, is it? They also knew that they were illegal before they started, and they should never have been able to go that. How are they supporting themselves?

    Who is employing them?



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