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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    it been posted numerous times that Ireland have been looking for 50 years so I have no idea what else you expect to find?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If anyone attempted to apply logic or reason to the Irish greens on the banning of exploration licences for natural gas, where it is plain to see that the present gas fields will be depleted long long before we will still need natural gas to keep the lights on, they would be lucky not to think themselves into a home for the bewildered.

    Even their attempts to do the same on LNG would have any sane person tearing their hair out.

    The closest comparison I can give to their stance on LNG is Irish Catholicism under John Charles McQuaid. They appear to believe that any hint of LNG use in Ireland will corrupt this crusade they are on to singlehandedly, regardless of anywhere else, save the world based on their own made up ideology. They really are looking more and more like a cult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,565 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Well no, I probably didn’t explain myself properly. The amount of turbines we need to get to 100% renewables (not just wind I know) won’t be in place until 2050.

    Therefore we need gas backup.

    The problem with this is corrib runs out in 2025 and the GP have banned exploration in Irish waters, which means we are reliant on foreign gas/oil for backup from 2025 until 2050 when gas probably won’t be needed. There are posters here saying we need to get rid of gas and replace it with other renewable backups which won’t work.

    I agree 100% the rollout of renewables is not fast enough due to the system in place.

    This is why I said the GP is way ahead of where it should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    This seems to be another rant, what are you talking about?

    The only cult I can see on this thread is the hate the Green one, blaming the Green Party for everything when they had no government control from 2011-2020 and when in government are a minor partner

    Ridiculous the ranting and raving heree from people who haven’t even read their policies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,565 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    What have they found in 50 years? I believe this has been listed numerous times.

    Can you link to a source that shows Ireland categorically has no oil or gas reserves left in its exclusive economic zone please.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,565 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Why have they banned gas exploration?

    what do they gain from it?

    We will still have to import gas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    70% of the heat from a fire goes up the chimney. 🔥💸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    a the classic how often do you beat your wife trick question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    I actually asked you a question which was:

    “How many seats do the Green Party have in government and how many of them are at the cabinet table. The way you keep spinning/spoofing the Greens have a kung fu/Medici like grip over the country but in the same rant you claim their muppets, which is it.”

    ,post script,

    the card your playing here and in most of your posts when asked 1 or several questions is to come back with a personal attack on top of the classic boards.ie agitator/troll book move which is to post a convoluted response in order to for the original question to lose it’s meaning and be lost in the quotation ether.

    Your rumbled!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,565 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The only rants I have seen here are those from self proclaimed experts on Irish Green party policy and manifestos that rather than even attempt to answer questions put to them are not just ranting, but raving and attempting to deflect while running around in ever decreasing circles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    And that has been fully answered and yet you continue to deny, ignore, deflect and obfuscate the basic facts of the natural gas reserves which have been found and which have made up to to 58% of Irelands energy needs in the last 50 years.

    What gives if you do nothing but post deliberate such misinformation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Well for a start unless you see a United Ireland anytime soon I do not know where we will see "boys in Derry" in government.

    The specific question I was asking you was on the legislation brought forward in early 2021 to ban the issue of any further exploration licences.

    Can you remember who at the cabinet table brought forward that legislation ?

    Not at the cabinet table, but then you do not need to be to propose laws. Last month Neasa Hourigan proposed the banning of LNG terminals. Can you tell us which political party she belongs to and how that proposal has been greeted by her party ?

    Personally on their performance in government, especially lately, I look on them as muppets.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There will likely still be a handful of gas power plants still around post 2030,but to be honest I think they'll be priced out of the market well before 2050 with carbon taxes. Some may get around it by using CCS at source but its likely that there will be very strict regulations around this which may impact further on the commercial viability.

    The other sources for power other than gas will be wind, solar, hydro, interconnectors, pumped storage, hydrogen as well as various battery storage.

    The proverbial nut to be cracked for renewables has always been storage for low production periods. That looks like it may be solved by hydrogen and to a lesser extent various other storage options (batteries of different types, pumped storage etc). Also I'm not talking about lithium based batteries here either.

    Note while I like the idea of hydrogen I'm still not fully convinced on how it's going to work from a power generation point of view. Burning hydrogen just swaps one problem (carbon) for another (NOx) which has its own set of potentially devastating impacts on the environment. Emissions capture for nox is ineffective to a large extent right now but maybe that will change.

    Hydrogen will work great in relation to fuel cell tech but I don't know how feasible that is on a grid scale.

    There's literal billions being poured into hydrogen production facilities at the moment to get them up and running, Spain and Saudi Arabia announced projects this week both over 5-6 each in those respective countries, so I'm hopeful that we'll see more in this area over the next decade.

    On a side note, one potentially massive source of energy exists in the oceans in the form of wave energy capture which I've followed for years. This one is really struggling to achieve scale with a model that doesn't basically get eaten by the seawater.

    The last one is tidal although there are so few places suited to this it's unlikely to even get beyond being a niche generation source.

    So yeah gas is needed for a while but I don't think it will be needed for as long as some think. I think once the offshore wind starts coming on stream we'll probably have a clearer picture



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    As already discussed, you constantly repeat the same thing over & over again. No idea why. You also seem to think snide little condescending comments are the norm. No thank you.

    I am sure someone else on boards will love to hear the same thing repeated over & over & over & over & over again

    I will kindly bow out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    You did not answer my question for the third time. My question was;

    How many seats do the Green Party have in government and how many of them are at the cabinet table. The way you keep spinning/spoofing the Greens have a kung fu/Medici like grip over the country but in the same rant you claim their muppets, which is it.

    you have not answered this at all only deflected again with something else

    a classic move seen time and time again,

    Your rumbled!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Yes we know "why" because you've continously denied, ignored, deflected and obfuscated the basic facts of gas exploration green party policy and the importance of natural gas in energy production which have been explained many many times. I'm certainly not the only poster who has pointed this out to you

    You haven't answered one single question asked or why you keep continously repeating that "Ireland have been looking for 50 years" & etc despite this been covered by multiple posters, myself included.

    As for your "snide little condescending comments" they have certainly been the norm since you latterly joined the discussion

    "I will kindly bow out"

    As you wish

    Post edited by Mecanudo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    I always thought you’d never see Batman and Bruce Wayne in the same room looks like charlie14 and Mecanudo are playing from the same deck 👀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Ah comic book references well I see resorting to attacking posters in lieu of discussion. Well when you and others are unable to do so meh.

    Fact. This is a thread critical of some of the crazier policies gp. That there are people posting about that shouldn't surprise anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    image.png

    https://www.ft.com/content/a5df06cf-a11c-42bd-81b5-5e30ec3a64aa

    This was published by the International Energy Agency today, simple ways of reducing oil usage with the shortages and price hikes. These guys know their oil, reduce speeds, car sharing, it looks like Eamon was right all along 😍.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Laugh out load your tactics are rumbled, same as the “other” poster.


    your opinions are meh… 🥱



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Seriously what kind of ridiculous comment is that?

    Afair your only half normal contribution to the thread was where you previously queried natural gas resource finds, to which I put together a comprehensive reply and to which you then made a half smart arse reply. And asked you to clarify and you didn't bother.

    And here you're going against that old boards adage of don't be a dick. Well look if that's where you want the discussion to go you're on you own banana.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Eamon never was and never will be "right", if you know what I mean



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    whatever mate, you never did any of that. 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I didn`t notice until today that Eamon was our St.Patrick`s day representative in New York.

    I have no idea how the decision is made as to who goes where on this particular junket, but whoever did make that decision would look to have a sense of humour sending Eamon to the city that never sleeps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If 90% of our electricity was generated by renewables our electricity bills would still be the same.🍋



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I wonder did he take one of those HiTech Racing Yachts across the Atlantic that the greens seem to like so much? He must have left ages ago to get there so.

    On the off-chance he went by airplane I hope he told the airplane pilot to slow down as its very important to to save fuel.



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