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  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    When I get to my laptop I will give it a try, can't do that on my phone.

    But, do yourself a favour and write a little on your url dump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,490 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Also since march 10th Kaliningrad has looked like this on FIRMS. Interested to hear a reasonable explanation for this.


    Screenshot_20220318-112819.png




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "WARSAW, March 18 (Reuters) - Poland will formally submit a proposal for a peacekeeping mission in Ukraine at the next NATO summit, Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said on Friday."

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-propose-ukraine-peacekeeping-mission-nato-summit-says-pm-2022-03-18/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,102 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @greenpilot

    Is Putin going to make a play for the Suwalki gap?

    Just to reiterate - that would mean a direct incursion into NATO territory from either Belarus or Kaliningrad. If there's any sanity left in Russia, they'd surely think that a land bridge to a parcel of land is not worth risking that kind of war.

    That's IF there is any sanity left in Russia. 'Russia' meaning the Russian leadership. 'Russian Leadership' meaning basically Putin and whatever his inner circle has dwindled to...

    ...do Amazon do any decent fallout shelters?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude



    interesting debate going back to 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea off Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It is going to be telling what road China takes. What's happening currently is destabilising for all including China. Do they build relationships with Russia to form a greater power block and prolong what will impact further on them? Or let Putin's scheme implode and have a weakened Russia, which might also suit them. You'd think they'd likely sit on the fence and try to play all the parties. Maybe they'll just give Russia minimal assistance to keep the Kremlin happy but also not really engage to keep their other world trade partners sort of mollified. Neither one thing nor another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Not surprised - Poland has been making all the noises. Now will wee little Ireland with our supposedly worldwide famous reputation as a peace keeper, be sending over our troops? Put our money where our mouth is in terms of neutrality and so on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Oh, I'm fully aware what happened in the Balkans deravarra....I was in Srebrebica just before the massacre, and in Belgrade when Arkan was killed in the International Hotel. Ditto I was in Trg Republika amongst the crowds cheering when Kostunica overthrew Milosevic. And as for the others you mention, Radovan Karadjic. he is serving life in prison, ( in the UK after his appeal was rejected and the previous sentence was increased to Life) Ratko Mladic, has also been sentenced to Life, and he will serve his sentence in one of the EU Country's who have agreed to take prisoners convicted in the Hague. And all rightly so, I could not agree more. Slobodan Milosevic died in the Hague, so he escaped justice in this life, but ( depending on your religious convictions) not in the next. So yes I know very well what happened and I'm not trying to whitewash any part of it,,,I'm not a fan of any of them, for sure, but war brings out the worst of the worst ( as I mentioned previously ) and there were atrocities carried out on all sides, and that's not an attempt to down play what the Serbs did. Every time I look in the mirror I see a souvenir from a Serb soldier. I have seen the same atrocities happening in Libya, Chechnya, Liberia, Syria etc. Only difference is the scale.

    Oh, and to add just a little bit of balance and I know its from an earlier time. but during the 2nd world war, Croatian Ustase killed an estimated 500'000 Serbs, in an attempt to create an ethnically pure Greater Croatia.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes, because demilitarising Ukraine in 2014 would have stopped all this 🙄

    His solution is basically ask them nicely to leave. He is a simpleton.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Corbyn saying there has to be a demilitarisation of Ukraine, just after Russia used it's military to annexe Ukraine. The absolute gobshite. What the F does he think a sovereign state is and how it stays that way?

    Corbyn is an absolute wa​nker.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    We can disagree all we like, putin has and had no intention to actually occupy Ukraine. If things had gone to his plan he would have ousted the current government and stuck in a puppet one, a government more amenable to his needs, while paying off or "disappearing" those who weren't. Like he had there before. No need to get bogged down in an occupation. America tries to do that because they have this long standing misconception that other cultures want the American Dream(tm) they buy into like a faith and that others will eagerly take it up if they're exposed to it enough. A misconception that has been proven wrong time and time again.

    But things didn't go to putin's plan, because the Ukrainians threw a huge angry fly in his soup and the world supports them and villifies and excludes him, yet even so he still has enough control over Ukraine to get the world screaming for talks, peace and an end to his bloody violence. Talks where he will get concessions that neither the Ukrainians nor us want him to get and what he didn't have before(NATO membership off the table for a start)and enough for him to get a short, even medium term "win" with his subjects back home.

    If history is any judge Russian generals and colonels tend to be like shark's teeth, abundant, disposable and easily replaceable. Never mind the quality, feel the width. The evidence of their quality is to be seen by how many have been killed so far.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When a country is invaded, why would it matter what a battalion did 8 years ago? It's irrelevant.

    If Ireland was invaded tomorrow, would you stop former paramilitaries from fighting?

    All this Nazi talk is just rubbish that Putin is peddling.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Talks where he will get concessions that neither the Ukrainians nor us want him to get and what he didn't have before(NATO membership off the table for a start)

    Its a completely empty concession. Ukraine were nowhere near joining NATO beforehand.

    Also "The world" may be screaming for peace but a) not at any cost and b) it is not important - what is important is what the Ukrainians are willing to accept.

    Russia will come out of this absolutely massively in the negative overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    It be interesting to hear his view now in 2022 after Russia invades the whole of Ukraine. Should Ukraine be demilitarised now?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Of for... The West are doing something. Lots of somethings. It seems pretty clear the Ukrainian resistence are getting intel from Western sources. They're getting big shipments of arms and humanitarian help and safe homes for their women and kids. They've turned Russia into one of the most sanctioned and excluded nations on Earth and did so near overnight.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    I believe all of the far right political groups amassed a whopping 2% of the vote in the last Ukrainian elections.

    Let's not forget that in the 2009 European Parliament elections, the BNP received nearly 1 million votes and had two candidates elected. That was 6% of the electorate.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    At the barest minimum there is a known hitlist of at least 2 million Ukrainians who make up the core of their civil society who are to be expunged. This list was compiled before the invasion and was know to close Russia watchers.

    A bare minimum of two million Ukrainians eh? Citations please. The Washington post printed a story that US inteligence sources said that putin had a hitlist of prominent opposition Ukrainians(and Belarusians in exile), which I do not doubt for a moment, but nobody was talking about "two million at a barest minimum". More hyperbole.

    And hello Grozny indeed. Russia absolutely flattened there and other areas in Chechnya and gave no fúcks to world opinion and operated with near impunity killing pretty much who they liked. Death toll over three wars? around 40,000.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No it wouldn't, at least not to me. He's an awful person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,726 ✭✭✭storker


    That may be less of a discouragement to Putin than we like to think. All the arguments against interfering in Ukraine would still hold true even for a NATO country being attacked. One can say, "Ah, but Ukraine isn't a member of NATO, " but that's a an argument for a debate, and we're not in a debate or even a courtroom; we're in the mind of a very dangerous individual.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    You know that sanctions alone won't stop this war Russia started on Ukraine. Everyday the west are increasing sanctions it would make you question what exact sanctions are on Russia and what effect do they actually have on Russia military and economy going forward. I haven't seen Russia falling of the map due to the impact these sanctions were supposed to have on Putin and its country. Nobody knows exactly what sanctions are on Russia by the West and what impact they really are having.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,102 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I had worried that NATO would shy away from invoking article 5 if push came to shove, but pretty much every spokesperson for NATO has been adamant on the point that if Russia move toward NATO territory, NATO would respond without reservation. I expect some bend on that rhetoric, such as if a stray missile fell inside Poland would have NATO looking to confirm if it was the opening hostility of Russia opening up a new front or just an accident. But if Russia moved to link friendly territory with Kaliningrad, there's no room for interpretation, there. NATO would either have to respond militarily or else lose pretty much all credibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,479 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    On the subject of Russian generals being killed, one wonders how the Russian "media" are even managing to cover this up. One would have thought the military funeral of a general would be a big deal and hard to keep a lid on. Are they forcing through private funerals or something without all the state trappings?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Ah eight years ago. That makes them now all whiter than white then? Doesn't take that long it seems.

    But wait.... Here's a Time article from 2021. Here's another from RadioFreeEurope(a US government funded outlet) in 2019. Describing how Facebook banned the Azoz movement because "Azov -- which includes many war veterans and militant members with openly neo-Nazi views who have been involved in attacks on LGBT activists, Romany encampments, and women's groups -- is now officially banned from having any presence on Facebook, the social network has confirmed to RFE/RL". Of course now when things have shifted Facebook did an about face. and will "allow its billions of users to praise the Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian neo-Nazi military unit previously banned from being freely discussed under the company’s Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy" Funny how all that got so easily washed away...

    Like I said when push comes to shove, "our" nazis are better than "their" nazis and we'll throw out the rule book and actively support them when it suits, call them far right dangerous group when it doesn't. They're still nazis though.

    And I wouldn't stop former paramilitaries from fighting, it would be expedient to let them, but they'd still be thugs and murderers. I'd need a neck as hard as a jockeys bollocks to claim otherwise or leave them to their own devices after the war ended.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    True but he couldn't argue the point he had back then with now.



  • Posts: 5,121 [Deleted User]


    Indeed. If NATO doesn’t respond with ground forces the moment a Russian boot touches NATO soil, or a missile or drone attack on NATO territory is considered to be deliberate, it is utterly finished as an organisation. And then there are suddenly a lot of countries hanging out there on their own.

    NATO would only likely ever push back to its existing borders though, so I wonder whether Putin thinks it would be with a small sacrifice of men an equipment in order to try to call NATO’s bluff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Relevance to the war? Are you also going to bring up every murderer in Ukraine?


    Any nazis should be dealt with according to their crimes. It is however a tad difficult to do this when a country is being invaded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    That's 4 Generals and 6 Colonels killed so far.

    I wonder if Lukashenko is still keen to be made a Colonel? 🤔



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  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course they would still be thugs and murderers. It's irrelevant though. Same as it's irrelevant at this moment what this unit did at any other time.

    When this war ends, things will again be different.



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