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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    May Perun / Taranis protect these brave warriors, Glori Don Ucrain! Slava Ukraine!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Serbian war songs are INSANE have you heard them?


    Warning this is HIGHLY offensive. And i agree with NOTHING of course.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Crazy splice of info from the watch dogs that should be providing info to the wider public

    From this clip, you would think we need to go war until the last person is asking a question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Up until after the war of independence it very much was. You could be arrested for carrying a hurley stick!


    Our grandparents were tough motherfuckers!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭circadian




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    it does and it will keep on happening until the russians overcome it through rebellion.


    That is the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭thomil


    The big question is whether the messed up Russian supply network will be able to keep up with such a scorched Earth campaign. The increase in firepower required by this requires insane amounts of ammunition to be readily available to the troops at the front. Given how thinly stretched Russian manpower is at the moment, how poorly "recruitment" efforts are going, I just don't see how they'd be able to effectively protect their supply lines. They can't really bring in many more Army units from other military districts without reducing them to a level that leaves them vulnerable there, particularly in the Caucasus and the Far East. Now granted, Russia could begin calling up reservists, but that could very well be the straw that breaks the camel's back for the population in Russia. I mentioned in an earlier post that they won't rise up until their backs are against the wall. Having men drafted just for the war in Ukraine might be such a moment.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭circadian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,102 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Time isn't really on Russia's side, here, because every day they continue this war, they are deepening bad blood with the West, making China increasingly nervous, and giving Russia's public and politicians a reason to overthrow Putin. Every day that this war continues beyond the initially speculated time frame gives a chance for tensions somewhere to erupt into a situation that Putin did not bargain for at all.

    And it wouldn't just be Russia changing tactics. The Ukrainian side would be adapting as well. For example, the attrition shelling approach the Russians appear to be adopting could be sorely impaired by the switchblade drones that's the Americans are supposed to be supplying to Ukraine. Speaking of supply, I wouldn't be at all surprised if NATO was supplying real time strategic guidance to the Ukrainian military by looking at satellite feeds and telling Ukrainian soldiers what to hit, where to hit and when to hit it.

    In a war of conquest it's worth remembering that when you take a city, you usually have to leave forces behind to hold it. While 180,000 troops sounds like a lot, when you factor in the above, the march to Kyiv suddenly sounds tougher. To add to that, Ukrainians are digging in and they are preparing in those cities which have not yet undergone sustained assault, and this is against a Russian force that is under supplied or inept or demoralised to the extent that they're still struggling to take cities on the edge of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Speaking with Erdogan

    Putin is also demanding parts of eastern Ukraine and acceptance from Zelenskiy that Crimea be a permanent part of Russia.


    Then next year he wants a little bit more and the year after a little bit more and ...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    I think the sticking points will be if the two areas of the Donbass have any say in the future of Ukraine. Crimea is lost, it will be Russian land in the peace deal. Will the two territories in the donbass areas have a say in how Ukraine moves forward is a strong question that needs answering from the peace talks

    My own preferred out come is it's only crimea that is lost, but I accept the two areas will follow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    There was plenty of details in that article if you read between the lines. The Garda head of counter terrorism basically told 30 terrorist ISIS fighters who are living in Ireland that they are being surveilled, their phones and internet traffic are being tapped. Now why would the Gardai be telling known terrorists that kind of information? All it does is give them an advantage to make sure their communications are secure. Why spend all that money on phone hacking equipment and then tell the targets you're hacking their phones, it is complete amateur hour from these blabber mouths who are always leaking to the media.

    Pius the poster you were replying to @cnocbui was right- senior Gardai management in the Phoenix Park do not have a handle on counter terrorism in this country. If you think that they do then youre being really naive. London, Paris, Madrid all thought the same thing yet they still got hit. ,Gardai in the counter intelligence and terrorism branch being blabber mouths to the media is going to make an attack in Ireland more likely, not less likely.



  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gardai only give out the information that they want given out.

    Prevention is always better then cure.

    gardai have,and have always had a handle on counter terrorism and terrorism in this country. You do not know better then an organisation who have been dealing with terrorism for their entire existence. Other police forces learn from the vast experience of AGS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Me2U2


    Can Russia afford 'slower and more methodical' at this point? At this rate the extreme economic cost and the stream of bodybags coming back could cause Russia to collapse before Ukraine. Would like to see a peace deal but what are Russia going to accept as a reasonable reward for the huge cost they have faced?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Thats been happening a lot in even more recent times than your friends grandfathers time, in Syria, to be exact, and even with kids. When some school kids spray painted derogatory graffiti about the regime, they were arrested, taken to prison and badly mistreated. This mistreatment caused a reaction which rippled across the Country and helped trigger the protests which led to the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Me2U2


    I completely agree with this. The country is too large. The Russians have not taken the other big cities they thought they would. I was watching this unfold at the start on the livestream cameras in Kyiv the second or third night. I expected to see Russian tanks rolling in to the centre of Kyiv after two or three days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    I think all territories should be returned to Ukraine, and Russia falls off the map as a kick in the a$$ for starting this brutal war. Ukraine should start using the drones supplied by the West and start bombing Moscow and St Peterburg and start shelling and firing missiles into Russian cities just like what Russinan forces are doing in Ukraine. That would be some site for Putin. Yes it may ruin Ukraines position in this war but are the West really helping them in this crisis? I don't think so or I mean they should be stopping this war not supplying weapons for Ukraine to defend itself and continue fighting and more innocent people men women and children getting killed unnecessary. If the war was stopped earlier it may stop any further escalation emerging in the coming weeks. I watched reeling in the years tonight 1999 and seeing NATO intervening when Milosevic serb forces tried to drive ethic Albanians out of Kosovo and I just wondered why NATO can't do this in 2022? Why can't NATO just grow a pair and make conditions to Russia that enough is enough and failure to cease fire at a certain point from now involves us NATO coming in and ending the war. I can't see the Nuclear weapons as an excuse or threat of WW3 starting when I see how pathetic the Russian forces are set up in Ukraine. They are getting destroyed by the Ukrainian resistance who are nowhere in the level of NATO. Russian army would just be destroyed. I think the West still has some dealings in the background with Russia like holding onto oil supplies that are preventing them going to war with Russia. Too many Western economies depend on Russias oil. The world of politics is always corrupt doesn't matter what side you are on. NATO intervening when it suits them says it all.


    Putin just needs to be shot dead or else tied onto the back of a lorry and dragged along the road to the Hague where he will have a painful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Me2U2


    Have there been any sightings of the T14 Armata tank in Ukraine?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    no apparently its not ready ..unusually russia makes all its own military equipment and they don't have enough nor is it ..field ready i think ..or at least this is what we are told??

    Are you a fan of military vehicles?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Eh it took NATO some 8 years to get involved in the Balkans. That’s right, eight years. Before Kosovo, the sieges and/or massacres at Vukovar, Sarajevo, Srebrenica happened. By comparison, I think the Ukrainians are doing amazingly well out of NATO with all the extremely useful gear they are getting, right from the start of the invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,480 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Tomorrow's London Times estimates that Russia has lost 7000 troops, has seen 200 tanks destroyed and lost 10% of all its equipment - seems plausible from all the reports we're hearing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Troop loss is insignificant, but if 10% of the entire Russian equipment is right then that is a big loss after only 3 weeks and not really made any progress - not like it's easy to replace that stuff but human bodies are easy to replace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭Homelander


    No, and it's not reasonable to expect there would be. They have a small handful of them, none ready for combat, basically their most modern tank in numbers is T90, which in itself is not much of a match against Javelins and other AT weapons.

    People talk about how Russia has thousands of tanks and how a few hundred lost is no big deal, but it's actually a huge deal.

    The vast majority of their paper inventory is rusted units lying in storage that are nowhere near ready for battle, nor even capable of it on the roughest terms.

    Their main tank force right now is tanks from the 1970's with token upgrades. They might have 10,000 tanks on paper but actual battle ready tanks are a fraction of that.

    As it is,the forces they committed to battle are massively lacking in upkeep. What remains on paper is pretty much close to worthless.

    The force committed to Ukraine might represent a token of their paper strength but it represents about the cream of what's ready for war. And it's not faring well, at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Me2U2


    The number of tanks already lost is unbelievable. The tank crews must feel they are being sent in with inferior armour if there is a better tank . I saw a video of new T14 tanks on parade several years ago. But there are stories about it being cancelled too. People have been taking videos of tanks on the move towards Ukraine from the other side of the country. It would be a big boost for them to see new and better tanks arriving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    How on earth can Putin live with himself for causing this. No mind the deaths he's caused in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,480 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    He can, trust me. I doubt he'll lose a moment's sleep over it. He seems the classic sociopath type you associate with dictators.





  • Day 1 they were blacklisted in my opinion.

    Time doest even come into it. To invade a democratic society in 2022 is completely of that charts.

    And long may they pay the price of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,047 ✭✭✭Polar101



    Most of the main battle tanks in the world are of the 70's/80's variety originally, although a lot of them have been upgraded. Russian T-72:s upgraded to B3 or B3M standard are fairly modern, but maybe not as good as they are on the paper - or maybe it's just the Russian tactics. But they're not likely to run out of tanks any time soon.

    But yeah, they're definitely having huge maintenance issues. And they seem to be abandoning a lot of their vehicles.



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