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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    They'll line the roads for us, they said. Hand us flowers...





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,377 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Nice little counter attack there too - they could cut some Russians off - Im following this guys site - its independent but he cites several reputable sources -


    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Wibbs

    And where is the Ukrianian artillery? One video of them hitting a group of trucks and another group of infantry with mortars seems to be it so far. Where are the Ukrainian tanks for that matter? Most of what we've been seeing from Ukraine has been either infantry attacks with anti tank missiles, drone hits and one light tank/personnel carrier taking out two similar. Clearly it's working as the invaders have been bogged down in a few places.

    Maybe they are not showing footage of that, so not to give away locations of the same.

    Some one keeps posting out of date 'Military' losses, so they have been active?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,838 ✭✭✭threeball


    Hitler saw parts of Poland the Czechslovakia as parts of Germany too so he decided to take it all because he could. He had no intention of ethnically cleansing them either. Just the undesirables like the Jews, gypsies and any who might cause him hassle.

    Ad I said, I and many others would view Putins actions in these 4 weeks on par or exceeding the first 4 weeks of Hitlers jaunt through Europe. It was almost two years in before he unleashed his true horrors on the world. Let's hope this lunatic doesn't make it that far.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch



    Russia still has massive firepower, but can it really divert even the majority of it to Ukraine? The mass movement of tanks and aircraft to eastern Poland means Putin can't leave that massive border exposed, nor the border with China or the coast with Japan. He also needs to keep considerable numbers of troops near the big cities in case of violent protests. He's also made threats against Sweden and Finland when they moved closer to joining NATO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I suppose his point is that even the German army were a pale imitation of the savagery that Soviet Russia inflicted in the Ukraine and more than once and that Putin is consistently using the language of that time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭thomil


    Just to add a bit of a health warning to this. The guy behind Oryx only adds vehicles as destroyed/abandoned/captured when there is visual evidence of the loss of said vehicle. That means that the speed at which new losses appear on that site reflects the availability of images, not the speed at which the vehicles are being lost.

    Nazism isn't so much about the bodycount. It's about the ideology behind it, which is an unholy mix of ethnic supremacism, some pseudo-historic "wrong" that needs to be put right, total dehumanisation of any "other" element, big-business capitalism, elements of socialism, complete supremacy of the state and a total disregard for the individual. Like it or not, all of that is present in the Kremlin's propaganda at the moment. You mentioned in another comment that Putin does not want to wipe out Ukrainians and while that may be right at the moment, Russian propaganda has been VERY vocal in wanting do destroy Ukraine as a cultural entity, something that could very well devolve into genocide at a later point if it turns out that Ukrainians aren't willing to give up their distinct language and customs. Nazism wasn't born when Auschwitz opened, it was born when "Mein Kampf" was published.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭circadian


    Gays, I knew it was them even when it was the bears, I knew it was them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,838 ✭✭✭threeball


    Very hard to understand how the Russians would allow these extremely small convoys to be separated like this and exposed to basically flying columns of men armed with rpgs. Its a complete turkey shoot. I'm glad they're this stupid but it's hard to fathom.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Erm Putin literally went on tv talking of denazification (how you think that would happen) and that Ukraine is not a country and Ukrainians are not people and is killing people on an industrial scale while causing millions to flee in a form of ethnic cleansing for his future settlers

    More hysterics and not a little BS. Please point out where putin said Ukraine is not a country. Please point out where putin said Ukrainians are not a people. People are being killed, and yes murdered on a daily basis, not least his own people by righteous defenders because of a dictator flexing his muscle, but it's not close to "killing people on a industrial scale". Yet. Thank Christ. And he planned that millions would flee in "a form of ethnic cleansing for his future settlers"? Never mind the huge numbers of Ukrainians related to and living in Russia herself and vice versa and in her own army that just might notice that. If anything one of the biggest misreads by putin and his bully boys was thinking far more Ukrainians would welcome them, or at least not stand in their way when they made their moves. For the craic look at how they prosecuted their invasion of Chechnya, particularly the second time around. Now that was far more like a "Hitler" move, where they regarded the locals as far more "other" and was killing people on an industrial scale. Utter disaster that this invasion is thank the fates putin and his minions have so far played this quite differently.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Hitler spent years building the machine of war and years turning his country. The book burnings and Kristallnacht were before war broke out. I don't think Putin set out to murder lots of Ukrainians. I think he mistakenly thought he could take Ukraine with ease, in a matter of days.

    Was Milosevic Hitler? you see what I mean. If everyone is Hitler/Nazis, then no one is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    2M refugees in Poland

    There will be courses of Polish language for Ukrainian teachers starting next week

    Please go to https://1920.in and use the tool to send texts/emails/whatsapps to random Russians.

    If you want to know why 1920:

    and what was Squad 303:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,838 ✭✭✭threeball


    It seems you want an identikit Hitler in order to put someone in the same bracket. Jailing 15,000 people who oppose your view, isn't enough, jailing and killing political opponents doesn't cut it either, illegally invading neighbouring countries, killing with impunity, imprisoning entire cities and firing upon any trying to escape even in agreed humanitarian corridors. Threatening to purge his own country. None of these rings even the faintest of hitleresque alarm bells.

    No sounds nothing like the man really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭rogber


    You are right. The people who make the Hitler comparisons really look uneducated and feebly lacking in imagination. Nor is Putin Stalin, although some of the rhetoric is similar.

    But Putin is Putin and we can't yet see him in his broad historical context. He's been in power for 20 years, most people here didn't know the first thing about him till one month ago and now they all seem to be experts on him and the laziest option is always the Hitler one



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The thing about egotistical monsters is given half the chance they'll be quite clear in telling people what they want to do and will do if they get power. Hitler did. He was quite clear about "removing" Jewry and bolsheviks from Germany and the world from the start. He was also quite clear about expanding east and building a European empire. Anyone who had listened to his speeches of read Mein Kampf would not be exactly surprised.

    The gowl in the Kremlin has also been quite clear too. He hankers for the USSR. He sees Ukraine as a "brother of Russia". First in a nice way when his puppet was in charge. Then in a threatening way when they weren't. He's also been quite clear about his anger and concern over Ukraine on his doorstep cozying up to NATO and the Americans(and the EU). Even went on about how a missile site in Ukraine would shorten the flight time to Moscow to ten or twenty minutes. The both sides breaking of the Minsk agreement and the shítshow that was and is the Donbas, where again both sides were murderous pricks.

    Oh well Ukraine should be alllowed joined NATO!! Yep, they should indeed be, until that butts up against realpolitik. If Mexico voted in a Russian friendly government and started to bring in Russian military contractors and was boosting her army, after agreeing they wouldn't get into that sort of relationship back in the day. How do you think America would react? Christ they built a wall to keep out "Mexican rapists". Russian friendly fifth column Mexican rapists? That would give them an apoplexy. Look how they reacted to Cuba. Came close to nuclear war over it and failed to invade it and tried to starve it out and had all sorts of weird plots to kill Castro(and then quietly shoved nukes into Turkey). Hell America prosecuted numerous murderous proxy wars across South America for decades after WW2 and up until recently to hold back the "Commies". They backed and supplied materiel and "advisors" to murderous dictators who killed thousands of their own people, so long as they were on their side.

    And before someone wheels out that tired old saw of whataboutry because it's a lot easier than coming up with a cogent argument: I do NOT condone putin's murderous invasion of the soveriegn nation of Ukraine. I think putin is a piratical thug that keeps his own people down while lining him and his minion's pockets. He is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent Ukrainians, men women and children and his own troops. The day the headline reads "Putin is Dead!" will get a happy salute on his trip to hell from me. However and outside of his beyond stupid and murderous reaction to all this, all this did not magically come out of the sky on the wings of fairies. There are reasons and many of his people even today can see those reasons and the fears on the back of them. This is - and I'm sorry to tell the easy jingoists among us - not so black and white. The revulsion of the invasion and resistence of it is, the realities aren't. Any way forward when the again easy ranting dies down will have to take that into account or it will be a rinse and repeat, even if putin isn't in his throne in the Kremlin.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    According to @Wibbs expert opinion. People in this thread are being willfully ignorant and listening to too much Twitter news and that Russia are merely acting battlefield stupid and not really battlefield stupid. Holding back large numbers of troops and cutting edge equipment to roll into cities and put them down. And that the might of the Russian machine wins out in the end.

    It doesn't really matter that this opinion is contrary to all of the major national intelligence agencies worldwide.

    We are consuming to much pro Ukraine twitter.. or something.

    But hopefully Ukraine win. Etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,469 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Keep in mind though that Hitler didn't kill that many people *until* he invaded Poland. Deaths caused by the regime would have been low enough between 1933 and 1939. Nobody is necessarily comparing Putin to the 'Holocaust' Hitler of post-June 1941, but comparisons with the 1939 version mightn't be too far off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    I wouldn't be surprised if these successful strikes against Russian formations are based on US satellite or signals intel fresh out of the oven. Artillery needs to be directed by a spotter on the ground, in the air, or else very precise knowledge of the target's location. Unless it's true that the Sovxxx Russians are using insecure communications and the Ukrainians are doing the triangulation themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    His point on Hitler is that pretending that Hitler was the worst thing to happen to Ukraine or Russia in the last century is purely down to historical illiteracy.


    That doesn't mean that Hitler was nice, it means that others were more brutal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The Chechens are putting a lot forward for the Russians. Things are not all roses for Kadyrov in Chechnya. There are still a lot of folks that want him removed/killed.

    If you were Mujahedeen in the Caucasus, now would be a pretty sweet time to kick up a fuss.



  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nothing wrong with stating that we monitor certain individuals or groups. I think you will find that every intelligence service in the world has no issue with staying what their general job description is. There is no details. And the poster I was replying to, seemed to think that Ireland did not have handle on counter terrorism intelligence or counter intelligence. We do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    America was actively in an antagonistic war with Russia when they were interfering with central and south America. They were fighting proxy wars against each other for decades. NATO has never been at war with Russia or instigated proxy wars between them.

    Flip that argument over, why should Romania and Poland have to have Russian aggression right up to their borders after a takeover of Ukraine? Are their security concerns of less relevance than old, decrepit Russia? Russia is a lost power, it has no right to dictate how surrounding countries organise their own defence. They also have NATO in Latvia, Poland and Estonia already. So any idea that they are only pre-empting NATO aggression is a false premise for this war. It's partly a desire to return to the USSR glory days, partly to avoid the embarrassment of a democratic, capitalist economy outperforming Russia and causing other parts of the federation to look west rather than to Moscow. It's also partly to secure the recently discovered natural resources off the coast of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14




  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    Yeah ha ha ha true i ment his speech from 2011 thats still used for propaganda against NATO

    Trolls loves to refer to it




  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    Yeah i know,LOL,it wss his speech from 2012 i was refering to,that kremlin trolls loves to refer to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,874 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Would love to see that prick with a bullet or 50 through his skull. Would be nice if the Americans had some intelligence on him so he could get what’s coming to him soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭deravarra


    I never said the others were innocent. But do tell me how many serbs were brought before the ICC for the most heinous crimes? And these criminals are still celebrated in Serbia as "liberators".

    You may have forgotten the names of Radovan Karadjic, Slobodan Milosevic, Ratko Mladic and Arkan, but I and many others will never do so.

    What they did would make Putin look like a schoolboy running errant tricks on pals. Srebrenica can never be whitewashed, and do not try to by implying moral equivalency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,838 ✭✭✭threeball


    People also willfully ignore the fact that Hitler was not the architect of the death camps that defined the nazis extremely brutality. That gem was the brainchild of that other utter sh1t Himmler. In fact the entire Nazi machine was the extremely unfortunate coincidence of some of the most evil people in history co-existing in the same country and with similar political views. Hitler, himmler and goebels all brought unique elements of evil to the mechanics of the nazi movement. Putin doesn't have that around him. He's far more isolationist and even more dictatorial than Hitler.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭deravarra


    Sure, they have the equipment, but as many a woman has said about some men - it's not about what you have, it's what you do with it!



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