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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Video has disappeared for me but (and I could be wrong), the indicator only comes on when the cyclist is about 1m away from the rear tyre. Like I said disappeared for me but memory says it was one of those indicate as I turn rather than before I turn moments. As an aside, how much time is plenty of time? I know from when I learned to drive that barring unusual circumstances you would be expected to indicate well in advance of a junction.

    BTW, I agree with you, I'd have probably pulled right of the vehicle out of expectation of the stupidity but on the same note, I would not expect every cyclist to recognise the blind ignorance of the expected by some drivers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭MacDanger


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    From this it looks like the indicator is on before the cyclist has passed the silver car which for me is enough time to slow down (the lights are red anyway so what's the rush)

    IMO the OP is cut from the same cloth as many of the asshole drivers we all know, he just happens to use a different mode of transport

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    In fairness, things look really bloody obvious when viewing cam footage as you're looking for something to happen. I used to make dashcam videos a few years ago, a lot of stuff on video wasn't as bad as it seemed in real life. Someone pulling out from a junction is obvious from a mile away on video but in person you're looking at the clock or checking a side mirror for example.

    My first 4-5 years on the road were on a bike before driving and it helped me with reading people on the road and you can almost predict what other road users will do but you still miss things from time to time. As cyclists most of us would hang back when a car is indicating left like that but I'd say I've done the exact same at some point in my life, probably glancing at the Garmin or something.

    If a bike lane just a track within a lane and a cyclist shouldn't pass on the inside then surely a car shouldn't pass the cyclist either?

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    So about 3m warning (and that is being generous) but lets say 5m to make the math simple, looks obvious in hindsight. At 20kmph which seems a normal enough (if not slower) speed, that gives less than 1 second to acknowledge, react and decide. Videos are wonderful but they take away the reality. It reminds me of that movie Sully where they tell him he could have landed the plane safely. His response was brilliant, they took out the human element. I am not saying the response or reaction was correct but it certainly wasn't wrong. He shouted to alert them, went with the corner. You say stop but his reaction had the same affect, no one got hit, and it had the added benefit the driver might use their mirrors the next time.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,614 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Yeah, if you're watching a dashcam video on youtube you know something is about to happen so you're primed to react. you're not allowing for the fact that the driver, or cyclist, or whoever, could be checking their mirrors or looking elsewhere for a valid reason.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    If you are talking out loud about what the car is going to do you have time to react.


    Besides..I'm probably not even behind the black car in that situation but behind the silver one it's obvious the are turning left and it's a red light ahead anyway.

    Don't need to be Poirot to anticipate what's going to happen in that situation.

    Good exercise to learn from tho (as I think a good few folks could be doing with tbh).

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,614 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    again, though, watching videos in this context, you're looking at the video in a post hoc situation. if it's being posted here, for example, you can probably guess someone has done something stupid in it. so an 'oh yeah, it was obvious he was going to do that' is an easy conclusion to make.

    less so when you're out on the bike, you're not going to be able to anticipate everything and you can't brake to a halt every time there's a whiff that a driver may or may not have seen you. so you keep going but give yourself room for manouevre.

    if i carried a camera around with me, i'm sure some videos i could post would look as if they were reckless on my behalf, where viewers could say 'you idiot, that was close' whereas my reaction would probably be 'yes, it was close and not actually a hit precisely because i was paying attention.'

    (i'm not talking about any specific video above, to be clear; just thinking out loud)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Yeah for sure, in general YouTube hindsight is wonderful. Also don't forget the distortion of the camera too. Often you can see more or it appears like there was more information available.



    On that specific video tho, not trying to be a smartarse or anything, it was posted and comments were asked for. Since it's up I would say to anyone if you recognise that situation and your own path ahead is blocked (red light, other traffic etc) then just hang back. The cars will clear quicker and everyone will get on their way a bit quicker and smoother and stress free. Isn't that what we should all be aiming for?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    In one of the recent traffic laws posted yesterday there was one saying a driver should yield to all other traffic when moving off from a standstill, I'm not sure how that wins out in conflict with the bicycle specific rules, but one to consider in the overall context.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Experience would teach me there is as much chance of them skipping traffic up the bus lane as there is of turning left. I'd still go on the right but that's just me.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,614 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    much as it pains me to retweet the sun:


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    F me! Good reactions to go right rather than left or stop.

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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If that's Ireland, HIQA will be all over that.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 Shotser


    Health Information and Quality Authority (HIQA) is an independent authority that exists to improve health and social care services for the people of Ireland. Basically they regulate residential care facilities and have a role in researching and advising on health information and health technology. This incident would be for someone else, RTA or HSA maybe?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,898 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I wouldn't have much trust in HSA taking action. If you make a a report, they are at pains to tell you how they can't give you any further information for confidentiality reasons. It is very rare that you hear in the news of them taking serious action.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,898 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Inspections and complaints are only mentioned at summary level in the Annual Report. There is no detail on the nature of complaints, how many were investigated, how many led to site visits, what were the main areas of complaint - nothing actually useful.

    Two things jump out from looking at the convictions listed;

    1) Their unwillingness to name individuals, even when those cases have been heard in open court and completed with convictions and fines.

    2) The number of investigations that came about following workplace deaths. Horses and stable doors spring to mind.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Ah Dublin bike commuting. Had my first quadruple over take on Wednesday last - me overtaking a slower bike, while a car behind me decides to overtake me - at 1.5 m in fairness, but he could have awaited the 5 seconds it took me to pass the slower cyclist. Not to be outdone, guy in Mercedes decides to overtake us all - 4 of us wide on the road at one point - he even used the opposite side bus lane to execute his amazon act of driving, all to get to a red light.

    https://goo.gl/maps/LsrvcHYt9K7DL8Dx9

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    A lot of people just dont look that far ahead.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    And drivers are tuned to just get past a cyclist asap, no matter what's ahead of them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    I see "must get ahead" syndrome in all road users tbh. But in general its just not reading the road ahead - the keystone that most good road use should be built upon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Even if she didn't see you stick the arm out going through a roundabout WITH a cyclist is one of the dumbest things people do. Really shows that people just don't acknowledge cyclists on the road when they pass you like you don't exist.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Absolutely.

    And 100pc on the must get in front.

    The only question tho (and I'm not having a go here, I know it sounds like I do):

    When you realised you were dealing with maximum stupidity, why go round the roundabout with a moron?


    To me (and yes, only a short clip from a cam, angles may vary etc) I would have hung back. Been annoyed at the nonsense of course, but hang back and let them get on with it.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Even on a quiet road, take the lane at a roundabout, its just not worth it not too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    And, let me guess, you are the authoritative judge as to the difference between what constitutes assertive and aggressive?


    Again, do what you like, I just hope I never meet a motorist shortly after one of your dealings with them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I always take the lane when going 'straight' or 'right' at a roundabout, but in fairness that hasn't stopped drivers from undertaking me on the roundabout itself when taking the same exit as me. Mind boggling stuff. Thankfully rare enough.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,898 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You don't need to take my judgement on the difference between the two. That difference has been well documented over the years;

    There's no aggression in any of my contacts. No swearing, no shouting, no threats of violence. Just simple communication with another adult to let them know that their behaviour was dangerous and I'd suggest that they don't do it again. Do drivers have some kind of magical immunity to such feedback? Have we let drivers bully us into submission like the victims of an abusive relationship?

    It's long past time to stand up and act. Make it socially unacceptable for drivers to endanger the lives of others.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Exact same. Well except I call it a kerb because I'm not American :D


    I take most roundabouts like a car would. That way there is more chance of being seen. It also mean I'm not making "two lanes" out of a single lane round (when unmarked - i.e. I know there are some roundabouts with cycle lanes marked, but they get ignored too).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    No it doesnt - I only comment on these things to share experience and maybe someone learns something (or I learn something from others)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭MangleBadger


    I once had a white van overtake me on a roundabout by going around it the wrong way. Granted it was a painted roundabout but still moronic.

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