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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Foynes moving ahead with a massive development to get ready for the growth of offshore wind off the west coast. Planning permission and foreshore licensing already done and dusted. Construction starting later this year




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo



    Did you actually read what was written or are you simply going to make stuff up?

    In Europe the energy markets follow a marginal model, which means the final price of electricity is pegged to the price of the most expensive fuel required to meet projected demand. 

    Look it up if you've never heard of it.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shrug

    What can I tell ya, based on my previous post and articles like the one below and the upcoming RESS auctions, I think its pretty clear which way our grid is going.

    You don't like that, fair enough, nothing I can do about that. Doesn't change the fact that we are moving away from fossil fuels and the share of gas as a fuel source in Ireland is only going to get smaller and smaller as time goes on while its costs are only going to go higher and higher.

    This is in direct comparison to, for example, offshore wind, where its share will go higher and higher while its costs will get smaller and smaller.

    You disagree with with that, fair enough

    Still, its the way things are going and contrary to what you might believe, even a change in govt won't alter that course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Some people have been bamboozled into thinking that renewables, which mean we have to burn less fossil fuels, makes us more vulnerable to price increases in fossil fuels.

    In reality, renewable power subsidises fossil fuel costs


    Its not your fault guys. The fossil fuel companies spend an absolute fortune on 'PR' to convince you to oppose renewable energy.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590332221002335

    Not to mention their direct funding of certain 'contrarian' scientists, and funding of all of those shady 'think tanks' that exist only to spew out lies and provide clickbait for the anti science blogsphere and you tube channels.

    Decades of this false narrative, corrupted debate and fraudulent scientific research and PR campaigns disguised as public discourse have done enormous damage and clouded a lot of people's judgement.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Renewables are amongst the cheapest form of energy.

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    https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ise/en/documents/publications/studies/EN2021_Fraunhofer-ISE_LCOE_Renewable_Energy_Technologies.pdf

    If you want cheaper electricity, it's the expensive coal and gas that we need to get rid of

    And we will, once grid scale storage and the adoption of existing technology to make more efficient use of the capacity we have and will be bringing onstream in the coming years. gas and Coal will be priced out of the market by fully renewable energy with storage.

    The current energy crisis is caused by the spike in Oil and gas prices. Not a failure of renewables

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Absolutely nothing to do with was being discussed ie the Marginal model of energy pricing.

    Eitherway it would be good if you would read comment in context to the topic under discussion and not use it as an excuse for Akrasia lecture 214T. Thanks


    The current energy crisis has many root causes - not least which is the current model pushing renewable energy generation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Their solutions to all problems is to effectively drive us all back to the stone age.

    When your political ideal is based around a single agenda this is the result. They don't give a rocks about the economy or the hardship it will put on people. That diddering prick eamon ryan (that only last week referred to russia as the Soviet Union, and then corrected him self and said USSR) could hardly contain his pubic erection he got when fuel prices hit 2.10 a litre.

    Drive slower, feed your family with lettuce grown in your balcony and wear more cloths inside so you don't have to turn on the heating


    Wait until the next election. Theyll be getting some stuffing at the polling station



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Incorrect as its got absolutely nothing to do with what I like or don't like.

    The facts are that Irelands version of green think has shown itself to be totally blinkered to changing circumstances and the realisation that the present model is already dead in the water. Whatever form of renewable policy will finally come to fruition, It won't be this one for sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo





    I do because its something you and others have apparently failed to understand properly. Natural gas is essential in this regard right across Europe. Ireland is no different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    because we're taking too long to harness our renewable wind resource and our interconnectors with the EU have been held up for years by nimby planning objections

    Because our government has not prioritised modernising our energy infrastructure

    That fact that the Foynes terminal is finally about to break ground is good news, but we should have been celebrating this 5 years ago and already have some of those offshore wind resources already generating power by now.

    Lip service and half assing it caused these security of supply issues to creep up on us, so that when there is an actual energy crisis we're completely caught out

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah, all of the people who didn't vote for them the last time will be so angry at all the green taxes that they won't vote for them again this time either

    The greens will likely increase their vote because the people who fall for this nonsense weren't green voters before, meanwhile the coming generation are beginning to see what kind of future they will have if we continue to announce plans to tackle climate change and then somehow forget to ever implement them

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Are you suggesting Eamon Ryan objected to the electricity interconnector?

    Because objecting to something that will cause more climate change is very different to objecting to something that is a crucial element in helping Ireland to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels and to allow us to export green electricity to Europe.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The policy is to shut down the dirtiest power generators first, ramp up renewable generation capacity, build interconnectors to the UK and EU and then shut down the last of the fossil fuel generation plants

    The policy is fine. the implementation is way slower than it needs to be, and this isn't the greens fault, they're a minority partner in wierd coalition where they are by far the smallest party, and the greens weren't in power at all in the decade before this government was formed, so the blame for Ireland still relying on gas and being behind our goals in our transition to renewables is hardly their fault

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,339 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    There's a cohort of people, many posting here like yourself, who would love nothing more than for all renewables to be scrapped and all green measures gone and all the bogs tore up so every house had a roaring for every night.

    I think it's just the pure loathing of the Green party and the Green movement. I find it truly bizarre because sooner or later we need to change our energy supplies and how we live and the foods we import and export, this war makes that quite obvious



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The greens are hated because they are seen as frauds. There is so much they could do that would cost little and be easy to implement to vastly improve the environment and habitats. Instead, they focus on fashionable topics such as carbon credits and taxes, and are staunchly against farming and car ownership. If the environment depends on the greens priority policies to save it, it is finished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    I'll happily wager with you they will lose significant vote. Let's say half



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Wrong. I'm spending 10k on solar next month and I worked at a job 15 years ago where I was one of the first to introduce renewable energies and their benefit.

    I'm behind renewables, I'm behind the benefit they bring, but, but notnat the detriment if the economy and putting pressure on people that can't afford it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    A go on. I'm long enough in the tooth now to know how fickle voters are. The same voters that would vote for anyone other that FG or FF. The same voters that gave votes to a toe rag in the South West merely because her name was on the ballot.

    I'm in favor of going Green but you can't shoe horn in policies

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,339 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    You need to remember that all the well heeled green voters are still well heeled as are their kids old enough to vote. They may be wiped out but we may be surprised, I know my vote and many others I know wont be changing, well heeled or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    If you can only get solar panels to work 3 months a year then of course you would need alternatives. But that’s not the reality is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I'll be voting green because I think Climate change is the number one crisis facing Ireland and the world. I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt and even allow them to make a few mis-steps because I believe that the majority of green party candidates are genuine, and any other party will prioritise short term populism over the tough decisions that need to be made for the long term

    Not everyone will take this view, and I know that there are plenty of other things that people could prioritise over climate change.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    The world won’t end for about 4 biliion years when the Sun consumes the planet. As for the end of civilisation that may well happen in time. The American military put out a report a year or two ago saying climate is a threat to US national security so it’s pretty serious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The problem I see is that people are so caught up with misinformation on the Greens they never actually read any of their policies. Like look at this thread and the complete lack of information from the majority of posters

    They have heard somewhere along the lines the Greens are only for XYz and after that don’t bother, it’s is frightening how many people in ireland just vote with a party because their parents did (FF/FG) or that they are the new fad in teh press (SF) without any idea if their policies are what they want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,591 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If there is one thing the American military has always been good at, it`s finding threats to maintain and increase it`s budget.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Only in your own head. But if you're happy with that.



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