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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭thomil


    Whilst I do believe that Ukraine would have given Russia a bloody nose even in that case, given how much they seem to be on top of their game and how motivated & disciplined their troops are, the intel advantage they have is indeed an underappreciated blessing for them. They basically have access to some of the most modern ELINT, SIGINT and EW resources on the planet, something that even quite a few NATO allies would likely give an arm and a leg for. Just look at the USAF EC/RC-135 aircraft or their RAF counterparts orbiting over Poland, the Global Hawks over the Black Sea or the smaller ELINT aircraft operating out of the Baltic countries. Ukraine probably has as near of a real-time view of the battlefield as any country can wish for.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well you dd point out that the only reason for a sizeable Ukrainian minority in Crimea was what happened in 1959, so to point out the the Russian majority was only achieved as result of a forced relocation of Tartars only 15 years previously was pretty apt.

    The point being, autocratic regimes with no regard for the individual can manufacture a majority very quickly. You can bet if there are any suggestions of a referendum in the Donbass for example, Russia will strongly resist any Ukranians who fled post 2014 being permitted to have a vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭quokula


    There wouldn't be much room for any other news if the BBC are expected to report every time someone is accused of rape anywhere in the world.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    Wouldn't trust the Russians with any deal to be honest.

    What's stopping them getting their **** together and coming back twice as hard in a couple of years?

    Ukraine needs NATO and EU protection most certainly. Its really really bizarre how Russia are playing as if they are the victim to the west.

    That have been sanctioned back to the stone age and with good reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Complete game-changers. As the video mentioned, the artillery is one of the key problems for Ukraine in terms of the Russian attacks, shelling towns and cities. Open artillery pieces could be serious hampered by these things, not to mention the morale effects. These drones cannot get to Ukrainian forces fast enough. The TB2's, combined with current Ukrainian drones, combined with enough of these (plus the high morale Ukrainian troops +at weapons) AND better anti-aircraft that is slated to arrive could, potentially, reverse the battle entirely. Usual disclaimer: Russia is militarily stronger, and has tricks up it's sleeve, but it's now not impossible that Ukrainians forces could possibly start to push them back in certain areas. This was unthinkable 3 weeks ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Yes Soviet era, but I believe has longer range than much of what Ukraine has currently




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Completely agree. No trick works the same way twice, so we may be witnessing the most sophisticated juxtaposition of apparent optics and behind the scenes operations ever created.

    In a similar vein to the original post, I wonder if any Russian satellites have suffered collisions with "space debris"?

    I also wonder if the stock of equipment on the ground in Ukraine is a little ahead of any 3rd party estimations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,143 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Switzerland and Finland are neutral and with national service, but they would also be difficult countries to invade in terms of their terrain. Ukraine, on the other hand, is mostly flat plain. Funnily enough, there are still reports of the Russian army having difficulty in some of that flat terrain, which leads onto my second point - the Russians won't want to leave Ukraine alone if this is truly a war about resources and Ukraine insist on leaning more toward the west. Going into the EU would only deepen Ukraine's relationship with the West. Therefore, the Russians would take a ceasefire period to reform their military and they could come back at Ukraine in a much more efficient way, learning from their previous mistakes. In short, I wouldn't trust the Russians as far as I could throw them. They've shown their nature. Ukraine needs some absolutely cast-iron guarantees of its safety, going forward, and that is an agreement that would need backing by hard force, i.e. NATO membership.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They will force Russian away with this,and i just heard rumours about Putin not getting any mercenaries from Syria as well.

    He is really struggling to reinforce and supply his troops



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    CNN apologizing to viewers for not being able to warn them that the video compilation played by Zelensky to Congress would be so graphic.

    Zelensky should have reminded the US viewers about Putin's "potty mouth". That would have got the WASPs a-buzzing.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Definitely.

    Perhaps the Ukrainians have gauged exactly what needs to be said right now, and balanced it against the likelihood of ever needing to be bound by it. There's no way anyone is going to trust the Russians, they've demonstrated that they have no concept of trust whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,652 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Has a spokesperson from the People's Republic of Kherson commented on this yet?


    It's only about 4 km from the city centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    I think Ukraine should double down and declare they will fight on for a total victory and drag Russia into an endless gorilla war, backed by western weapons.


    I don't think they should cede ground as it is the doom of there country they will suffer a slow death thru manipulation and be isolated to a boardering 3rd world country cycle of poverty and strife.


    This is a do or die moment for Ukraine otherwise they will be destroyed and dismantled in everything but a map and a name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,059 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Well I wouldn't say it is all about resources. But an EU with trade deal for Ukraine for those resources has less reason for buying resources from Russia, Russia loses one of the holds it has on EU. The resources may not be extracted for a while but the licences to do can be sold now minus the finders fee...

    If resources don't come into it, why has russian put so much effort into the southern front in an attempt to cut Ukraine off from the sea, instead of sending everything at Kiev and the regions around Crimea.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The Russians are great at making announcements that their great leader has passed on. He is expendable if it is decided that he is. Even Xi in China is not immune to being replaced.



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Exactly. It would allow them to maintain a standing army however it would also allow them to have several million trained reservists. Obviously would take years to create but it would give them a nice security blanket right throughout the state.

    Added to this, they could potentially follow another swiss model in terms of accessibility into the country whereby they could create corridors which could be closed at multiple points in the event of an invasion, thereby slowing down any attackers, creating bottlenecks and kill zones.

    The swiss are pleasant but they are also highly prepared to rebel any potential invasion and for Ukraine, its a model of defense they should seriously look into



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    We need to see who has dealings with Russia and does if have any effect on policy.

    Interesting read here:

    Former politicians don't get such jobs based on their looks.

    Nice bit here:

    The former TD for Dublin South West was minister of state for science and technology during the last coalition government. He worked as a journalist and as an executive with billionaire businessman Denis O’Brien’s Communicorp prior to first being elected to the Dáil in 1997.

    We know Liam Lawlor had business in Russia.

    While political ideology might give weight to the left having ties, it's quite clear Putin is all about the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Switzerland is also one of the most naturally defendable places on earth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    I think it was about control of the population. Russia has a population of 144m and it is declining. It dropped by 1m in 2021.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Putin meeting the same fate in Moscow ( or elsewhere ...) would have the same effect....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Fully agree. I think it might even be worth pursuing a strategy in Europe to lure young educated Russians west. Try to get their best and brightest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Whatever about getting NATO membership (or some similar defence guarantee from US/NATO allies?), Ukraine likely cannot accept Russia limiting their protection to a promise of Putin and a reduced army (that as you say, Russia can just take another run at in a few years).

    They'll need to be able to get the best of weapons off who they like and prepare themselves even better so Putin or any warmongering Russian leaders who follow will know it will be even more painful and difficult trying to attack Ukraine in future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭rogber


    I expect millions of Ukrainians living in hellish conditions would disagree and accept a half decent peace deal.

    So easy to cheer for more war when you're sitting here at your laptop in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




    The UN’s International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague has ordered Russia to stop it invasion, saying it had not seen any evidence to support the Kremlin’s justification for the war, that Ukraine was committing genocide against Russian-speakers in the east of the country, Julian Borger writes.

    The court ruled by 13 votes to two for a provisional order that “the Russian Federation shall immediately suspend military operations that it commenced on 24 February 2022 in the territory of Ukraine”. Only the Russian and Chinese judges on the court voted against the order.

    The order was in response to a Ukrainian appeal to the court on 26 February, asking for a urgent ruling on Russian unsupported claims that Ukrainian forces were committing genocide in Russian-backed enclaves in Luhansk and Donetsk, regions in eastern Ukraine, as a justification for the attack.

    Russia did not attend an initial hearing on the case, nor did its lawyers turn up to hear today’s ruling. Instead they sent a letter to the court claiming the ICJ did not have jurisdiction over the case. The court’s president, Joan Donoghue, rejected Russia’s argument, pointing out the frequent occasions that Vladimir Putin and other senior Russian officials had claimed the alleged genocide was the reason for the attack.

    The ruling is unlikely to influence Putin’s choices, but it does provide an authoritative refutation of his pretext for starting the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Putin's mouth performs the same function as a hippo's tail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,652 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain



    Millions maybe but it could also lead to division. I'd be wary of ceding too much to Russian demands and any attempts by them to divide the Ukrainian nation further. You only have to look at Ireland to see where that could lead. It really will be a tough one for them but easier for the rest of us to say what we think should happen (or would like to happen more accurately). When you're up to your neck in sh1t and someone throws a bucket of sh1t at you. Do you duck?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,059 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    On the other hand they are the ones most likely to want a different Russia, I'd have thought.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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