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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭creedp


    It's amazing how the EU regulates every aspect of our lives to ensure we do things better but couldnt foresee that relying too heaving on Russisn oil and gas was going to end in tears. Need to dramatically increase the size of the Commision to ensure it has to expertise to mitigate such future risks



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    With bills going up by 30% in the next month, I think bicycles all around.

    Or Flintstones cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,254 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Not sure if this is sincere, but one thing we do not need is a bigger EU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Why would you fill up when crude has been falling steadily for the past week?

    No basis for price increases in the short term.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah

    Many options available

    • Walk
    • Cycle
    • PT
    • EV
    • Car Pool

    Just a few examples

    Obviously won't work for all cases, but will work for many



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,551 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Care to enlighten us all on your big plan to remove diesel and variants such as jet fuel, kerosene, etc so that we can cancel the next shipment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭creedp


    Sorry .. being anything but serious! The Commission is already a monster and yet it apparently didnt see this coming? Probably more important to focus on regulating the optimum shape of bananas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭creedp


    We've had years to work on such alternatives so it will take a little while yet to achieve .. in the meantime the need for fossil fuel continues



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,420 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what car companies would survive a mass pivot to 'pure' EVs by consumers?

    e.g. skoda only have one model in their range; and i read elsewhere on boards that toyota are frantically trying to play catchup in the all-electric market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Fossil fuels are not remotely running out there are vast untapped reserves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    🤦‍♂️

    This won’t work for the majority.

    Pt is stuck in the doldrums due to planning issues for example bus connects corridors, metro link taking an absolute age to get done, cycleways being objected to and that just Dublin. PT is non existent in rural areas. How many BEV busses do we have in the fleet at the moment?

    Car pooling with covid? Best of luck with that.

    EV won’t work either due to the debt people have to take on to get an EV if they have no debt on their existing car and that’s a sizeable chunk of the motoring population.

    Walkings fine if you live within 15-20 mins walk from your house to your workplace, but I would imagine the vast majority that can walk do walk already.

    Cycling, same as walking above but with the added danger of cycling on roads that don’t have segregated cycle ways due to councillors bottling decisions.

    What percentage of the HGV fleet are BEV at the moment?

    We are many years away from getting rid of diesel or petrol and that’s a reality.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    You live in a 3 story townhouse on a council maintained road, what's stopping them from allowing the installation of AC charge points to service the needs of the local community. It's been done in plenty of places around Europe, the Dublin councils are even starting a pilot scheme to address these type of issues, is there something unique about your home?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Has anyone a list of companies importing Russian fuel/oil? Or a list of those that don't use them so people can buy from a station that isn't supporting them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Markets seem to be levelling off just over $100 at the moment

    https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/@LCO.1?tab=news



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    filled up last night at 188.9 . Good to see a drop that's 20c a litre down.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Popoutman


    Off-topic:- Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson can **** right off for that particular meme (in the old normal definition of the word) where the EU cares about the bend in bananas; he's the one when trying to be a "journalist" was fond of spouting these lies to the British public, attracting the attention of one Mrs Thatcher, and getting a slimy foot in the door of the Tories.

    Back on topic:- It'll be very interesting in the next few years when Electric Vehicles will have a specific EV tax applied, likely part efficiency and part vehicle mass, that'll bring the yearly cost back up to the similar costs for IC vehicles. What will not happen is for IC vehicles to continually pay higher and higher amounts in yearly taxes and charges once EV becomes more commonplace. IC engine costs are not going to decrease, but EV owners are going to have to step up and provide support to the driving infrastructure that their heavier vehicles damages faster than similar sized IC-only vehicles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 CantCatchCovid


    EV damaging the road "more" 🤣

    such scutter 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Fantasy world.

    Walk? With 20kg of groceries from the shop, woman alone at night, in the driving rain. Stupid suggestion.

    Cycle, see walk add a few more like being hit by a car.

    Public transport? Not enough capacity if we all did it, no good if carrying 20kg of groceries etc.

    EV? Mined out of the ground using oil and coal. Destructive, expensive, not enough materials to implement large scale, lots more reasons.

    Car Pool, yeah works in some cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    The heavier the vehicle the more damage it causes the road. That's a fact whether you like it or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    You're falling into the hysterical motorist mindset unless you are a woman who only goes out at night in the driving rain with 20kg of groceries?

    We need to reduce our car usage/reliance and the suggestions above by Dacor are perfectly valid. We're selling our second car later this year and we will be a 1 car household, looking forward to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 CantCatchCovid


    People in Cars going around with 4 passengers is the real scourge,

    Needs to be stopped IMO 😁



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You failed to read the last line in my post I see.

    I will add one point, doing shopping is perfectly possible on the bike. I do it regularly using pannier bags. Even brought a few buckets of paint from the hardware store on the back of the bike along with brushes n bits in the panniers.

    However, as I conceded, there are occasions when a motor is required. I sold my wheels in Oct 2020 and have made use of GoCar when the need arose since then. I think I've used it a total of 18-20 times since then and about half of those were when I was moving house and got the van from them.

    Doing so allowed me to save a deposit for a house a hell of a lot faster from the savings I made.

    Now your situation may not lend itself to doing the same, but there are options to reduce your costs by looking at alternatives.

    Or don't, up to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    You initially said remove the necessity for it (diesel)

    Now if you had said reduce necessity I would have agreed with you.

    But removing it is nigh on impossible.

    It's not really practical to do a week's shopping for 4 or 5 people on a bike, it's just not.

    I guess you don't have kids who need to go to soccer, swimming, scouts, after school study, hurling, rugby, doctors, work, girlfriends, boyfriends, teenage discos etc. etc.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's not really practical to do a week's shopping for 4 or 5 people on a bike, it's just not.

    Umm its totally possible to shop for 4 or 5 people on a bike, only difference is you go to the shops more often and do smaller "shops" as my mother used to call them. People are doing this every day literally all over the world.

    You initially said remove the necessity for it (diesel)


    Now if you had said reduce necessity I would have agreed with you.


    But removing it is nigh on impossible.

    Not at all, just takes time, resources and desire. Granted, like I said, not everyone can do every trip without a car but then again, not every car trip needs to be in a diesel.

    There are options out there, its just a matter of making different choices. For example, if you choose to keep only diesel cars for the next 20 years then its going to get more and more expensive to put fuel in.

    However if you use other modes for all or part of your journeys then your costs are reduced. They are reduced further if you move away from an ICE engine and they are reduced further again if you move away from a car completely.

    In terms of avoiding the hit on the pocket from fuel prices, there are options, but as I said, not all options work for all situations but in a great many situations, there are ways to avoid the hit on the pocket



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    See Turkey and Zelenskyy in regular contact https://twitter.com/zelenskyyua/status/1504152829832974343?s=21



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    .......and?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,506 ✭✭✭ongarite


    My local CircleK is down another 2c today for both petrol and diesel.

    Expecting same drop again by weekend.



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