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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    the reality is that renewables have been shown to be reliable,

    Utter tosh...

    How much energy from renewables are we gonna get next Monday evening for the dinner?

    GFSOPEU12_150_9[1].png

    Whole of Europe in blue/green = not worth a shyte for renewable power generation.

    Lots of Rooskie Gas gonna be required to make the shortfall.

    Have a play with the wind speed forecast yourself - Wetterzentrale - Top Karten - GFS Europe 12Z

    Most of Europe continuously in the blue and green shades as it is alot of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,591 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Please attempt to make some kind of at least a half coherent point.

    Why do you believe anyone using a nuclear plant as a primary source of energy would switch it on and off randomly, and what gave you the idea i said they would ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,591 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Looks like a good time so to get into the candle business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You keep telling people they haven't a clue, yet a few posts ago you didn't even know the Kerry LNG wasn't owned by Ireland 😂

    Again you are incorrect, we have very little renewable. We pay such high electricity costs because we are using fossil fuels. These are facts.

    In 2020 the overall renewable energy share in ireland was 13.5%, compared to the 2020 target of 16%. This means that Ireland failed on its overall RES target for 2020.

    Renewable electricity accounted for 69% of all renewable energy used in 2020, up from two thirds (66.8%) in 2019.

    https://www.seai.ie/data-and-insights/seai-statistics/key-statistics/renewables/#:~:text=In%202020%20the%20overall%20renewable,thirds%20(66.8%25)%20in%202019.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    We already have a link into Europe for gas if we need it, it should be the back up link we need if we require a bump to our green energy programs of wind/water/solar



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I started a thread on this a few years ago.

    It’s false advertising of the highest order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Oh ffs. We do NOT need a "bump". We require a safe, secure and reliable source of natural gas to make up for the lack of reliability of renewable energy generation for the foreseable futute.

    Have you seen whats going on in Europe atm? Do you really wish Ireland to be doubly screwed by being the last country looking down an increasingly expensive and bare pipeline after the rest of Europe have been supplied and we have no natural gas resources, all because our own homegrown gshites have decided neither natural gas exploration nor LNG terminals are permitted?

    Either you simply do not understand the basic issue here or there is something else wrong. How many people will it take to explain before you can grasp the basics?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Again the only way Ireland can control its electricity pricing is generate our own via renewable technologies.

    Wrong. Long before there was any meaningful renewable power sources in Ireland we were the third cheapest across the OECD for electricity prices. Now that we have peak capacity for ~47% of electricity from renewables we are fourth dearest across the OECD for electricity prices.

    Renewable energy leading to cheaper electricity prices is a blatant lie peddled by the green movement.

    The PSO Levey which used to average ~€16 a bill cycle has leaped massively and these funds are now being used to subsidise renewable energy. The original €16 was for peat fired plants, but now they're closed - there has been no give back of this €16 - so where is that going???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Third time! in your post you maintained that nuclear power plants could be used as backup. They are not suitable for backup generation because tge can’t be turned on and off.

    read your own post

    To help jog your memory you said :

    “We could use nuclear if there is a surplus available and it is there when we need it.

    I replied to saying you can’t just turn on and off nuclear plants. This is the second third your attempting to deny you said what you said.

    Get your facts right 🤦‍♂️



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I'm sure all the people who starve to death or die of heat stress will be having a whale of a time

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Renewable electricity is sold on the wholesale energy market to the highest bidder.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Ah I see another disaster movie afficando

    "First, no credible scientific body has ever said climate change threatens the collapse of civilization much less the extinction of the human species. I looked through IPCC reports and see no reference to billions of people going to die, or children in 20 years...

    “Mass migration around the world already taking place due to prolonged drought in countries, particularly in South Asia. There are wildfires in Indonesia, the Amazon rainforest, Siberia, the Arctic,” she said...

    There is good evidence that the catastrophist framing of climate change is self-defeating because it alienates and polarizes many people. And exaggerating climate change risks distracting us from other important issues including ones we might have more near-term control over."




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The World Bank commissioned a scientific report into climate change at 4c and the conclusions were pretty devastating

    "Turn down the heat ~ Why a 4°C warmer world must be avoided." A Report for the World Bank by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and Climate Analytics"

    This report was commissioned 10 years ago, the evidence has only grown stronger and stronger since then that were heading for 4c warming in the 2nd half of this century

    Equilibrium climate sensitivity is 3-4c. The IPCC has just said said we have a rapidly closing window to make the changes we need to preserve a planet that is habitable to all. They're talking about keeping warming as far as possible below 2c. We're extremely unlikely to plateau below 2c, and certainly won't if the 'realists' on this thread have their say. The IPCC haven't even begun to properly talk about what will happen in a 4c warmer world.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    The World Bank? So what you're saying there there's no scientific / IPCC statement regarding end of civilization / mass deaths as you were claiming previously? Well that's good. Best idea idea is to stick with the science and not go full Hollywood. Afaik the IPCC don't go in for that kind of thing tbf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I refer back to the link above on how much renewable to we have access to. The issue we have is we don't have enough renewable so yes we can peak to 47% but we actually only have 13.5%. Which means we get the rest from fossil fuel.

    Ireland does not have any oil or gas. So anytime a shift in market happens we get screwed

    Renewable is not cheap based on what? your maths which are all totally wrong and base on 86.5% electricity provided by fossil fuel.

    This is just a rant and add's nothing to the conversation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    If you read the thread I have answered multiple times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The world Bank commissioned the Report from a highly respected research institute and their study formed part of the IPCC literature

    Read the latest IPCC report instead of Forbes articles. The are now saying out loud that if we don't act immediately large parts of the world will become uninhabitable. And that's if we don't keep below 2c. Getting past 3 to 4c introduces enormous risks. Totally unprecedented extreme events converging on each other to amplify the damage in ways we have never seen before

    Read the last report if you don't believe me.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Dafuq?

    "Ireland does not have any oil or gas"

    Where are you getting your misinformation from?

    Ireland does indeed have its own Natural gas. Currently Ireland has two sources of natural gas supply: The Corrib gas field supplies around 60% of Ireland’s annual demand and approx 5% coming from the Kinsale gas field.

    As you said "Absolutely ridiculous the rubbish peddled on this thread by people who haven't a clue how Ireland produces electricity" 😅

    The problem is renewable energy production is inherently unreliable as seen this winter in Ireland and across Europe

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40787262.html

    And your bizarre claims have nothing to do with Irelands requirement for safe, secure and reliable Natural Gas resources.

    In Germany renewables met 46.3% of Germany's 2020 power consumption and yet Germany remains dependent on Natural gas supplies from Russia! and with recent developments Germany will be increasingly looking to Nuclear and LNG.

    Meanwhile in Ireland we have the greens making stuff up.

    Post edited by Mecanudo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We need to cut global carbon emissions by 50% by 2030. If we had started in 2010. We'd have 20 years to get this done. Instead we have 8.

    Of course we'll fail, we'll overshoot 2c of warming. And be faced with having to make even more drastic emissions cuts while our economies are being hit by more extreme weather events.

    Given the complete lack of political will to lead the change, we are left with market forces driving people away from fossil fuels. What a surprise it is that the oil industry propaganda machine is ramping up massively to blame renewables for the high cost of oil and gas to influence governments to once again step in and subsidise their products so they can eek every last trillion in profits from their reserves while they can

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not sure anyone is making anything up. Renewable production is still being built with a lot of it still to come. By 2030 the picture will be a lot different



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Again the "World Bank"!

    And yet the latest IPCC which I've read makes no reference to end of the world or civilisation type scenarios you're blathering on about.

    Now that's a bit strange do you not think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    What like we supposedly have no natural gas?

    And yet it remains we have to deal with the here and now. And that means we are dependent on a safe, secure and reliable source of natural gas. Otherwise we're screwed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Ok.

    People still aren’t getting 100% green electricity to their houses though.

    Unless of course they are off grid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Load of bull, scaremongering bullshit. its actually the total reverse of the above. The so called green economy is being subsidised up the neck by an economy driven by fossil fuels because guess what with out gas,oil, coal there is no money to fund this pie in the sky ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If you can't be bothered to read the latest report just read the press release from 2 weeks ago.


    “The scientific evidence is unequivocal: climate change is a threat to human wellbeing and the health of the planet. Any further delay in concerted global action will miss a brief and rapidly closing window to secure a liveable future,” said Hans-Otto Pörtner.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The fossil fuels industry gets trillions of usd in subsidies

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Oh but I have and nowhere and I repeat nowhere do the IPCC make claims about the "extinction of the human race" or even "people (will) starve to death or die of heat stress".

    Maybe best stop making shite up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You do realise a renewables grid is not just wind?

    Why are you talking about Germany? Why have they any relevance to ireland?



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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What like we supposedly have no natural gas?

    We have NG, I heat my home with it....for now. Will be upgrading the heating system in the next year or two, planning to get a heat pump especially now that the grants are so tasty



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