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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    But rather than de-escalating the conflict, Putin seems intent on cranking up the heating to full-blast



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    I think many are surprised including myself at the level of influence Abrahmovich has in Russia.

    Abrahmovich lived in The Kremlin having been invited by Yeltsin and was the link man between Yeltsin and Putin. Subsequently Abrahmovich recommended Putin (for the job of PM I think) and interviewed his cabinet or something to that effect.

    Allegedly some very dodgy deals were set up to funnel money to Putin via state contracts granted to Abrahmovichs companies.

    Chelsea can go **** themselves playing the victim.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Russian liberators getting a warm welcome in Ukraine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,172 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    I'm pretty sure Putin won't be the one deciding if its a war and hence charged with war crimes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Got this from the ever so neutral BBC eh? Abramovic was just one of dozens of elites in Russia to give the nod to Putin. Russia had no viable mechanism to elect a leader, so it was down to the elites to choose one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    For example, I do a bit of flying ( of course you do, you Walter Mitty bastard). But seriously, I do. I fly out of a little air strip in Roscommon called Tibhoine airfield. Its only a few miles from Knock Airport. Now, Knock does not have an active radar, so they cannot see us. Neither can Shannon Control, which controls aircraft flying at a certain level. So we have to contact control, who assign us a squawk code, which I input into the transponder, select the mode, which broadcasts our attitude, speed etc and as soon as I do that, a blip appears on their screens. Therefore they can steer us clear of any impatient Ryanair flight that might be bearing down on our asses at that moment. Very simplified of course, but you get the picture.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I remember when the F117 stealth aircraft was finally revealed they did mention that when flying beyond their bases they had a transponder they could extend that would make them show up on civilian radar in case of accidents. Needless to say they didn't squawk "I'm a top sekrit hairyplane". IIRC they pretended to be F16's or F5's. Given the F117 first flew in 1981 you would wonder what the Americans have now that we don't know about.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I sincerely hope the Ukrainians have a store of their home-grown Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles they have been hiding from airstrikes and have refrained from using so as not to tip their hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭CB19Kevo


    One would have to wonder if Russia do succeed in at least the initial taking of Ukraine what way the West's response would be viewed in the eye's of history.

    Sanctions and some limited military aid will hardly be viewed as "good enough" when more decisive action could have saved Ukraine and it's people. It's not like they are not deserving of our support and it's not like the pull into Russian control of Ukraine is good for the west.

    Looking at civilians standing against armed soldiers it is difficult to justify inaction even with a considered view of the potential escalation that further Western actions could bring about. As a small unprotected country at the edge of Europe maybe it particularly strikes a chord that those with the means to end this war are unwilling to step in and will sit on the sidelines as children, elderly, animals and an entire culture is bulldozed into the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Apparently Ukrainian forces have hit an airfield near Kherson, this is possibly Russian forces retreating from that area (not confirmed, pinch of salt, etc)




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    But what about Iran using the Yemeni's as their cannon fodder, comrade?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Thats a real pedal to the metal job.... no orderly convoy rules there...more like every man for himself......☺️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Sanctions and some limited military aid will hardly be viewed as "good enough" when more decisive action could have saved Ukraine and it's people.

    Yes but it could have (and still could) plunge the world into a nuclear WW3. Got to do a detailed cost-benefit analysis before undertaking these sorts of actions...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,145 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @corkie

    On another note, hopefully not giving ammunition to putinbots?

    If Putin sees this as a ‘Military Operation’ and not a 'War' can he be guilty of War Crimes?

    And yes I believe 'War Crimes' have happened in Ukraine.

    If I cover my eyes while playing hide and seek, can people still see me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    From, Redit, so pinch od salt, but seems plausible:

    "I have been told by someone in odessa its was a ukrainian MLRS (forget the name) with gps guided munitions. They programmed the missiles to cover a specific bit of water and lured the russian ship using 2 gunboats and then fired at it. One gunboat was seriously damaged and some of the crew killed"

    Sure sounds like something the inventive Ukrainians would come up with, as I don't think that system was intended for naval targets.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    IMHO and of course just my humble; Kasparov might be great at chess, but what the hell qualifies him for anything beyond that? He's Russian and he seems to hate the place? He's prone to heavy over-reaction when it comes to Russia(medieval times. 🤦) and now with all this going on with Russia anytime he spots a microphone under his gob he lets rip. And he's not the only one. This hawkish Hit putin NOW! shíte is silly and dangerous with it. It's bad enough with keyboard warriors, but non expert public figures should IMHO shut the hell up and fúck off while they're at it. If they want attention so badly, go onto Onlyfans and shove a feather duster up their jacksie while singing the Birdy Song.

    Russia's military can't take Ukraine nearly as easily as they seemed to have thought they could. And we're supposed to believe he's eyeing up NATO countries like Poland? The only way he could attack in any meaningful way is with tactical nuclear weapons. If that happens and he's not taken out and "retired" by his own men for going nuts, then shít starts to get very real very quickly.

    So NATO gets involved now as Kasparov and other eejits suggest. What then and how? A No Fly zone means sooner or later a NATO aircraft or AA battery shoots down a Russian aircraft. Never mind that it gives putin a gift wrapped present to show his subjects, see! They want us dead!. The Russians will fire back and again since their conventional forces are no match, we're back to chemical, biological and nuclear options. Then shít starts to get very real very quickly.

    OR... we act like adults with cool heads, keep up hard sanctions and a proxy supply war that both sides may whinge about, but the nudge nudge wink wink scenario continues on like all the other proxy wars, while in the background talks continue and new talks commence and deals will be made and we'll have stepped back from what would be one of the worst disasters in humanity's history. Nobody wants that, including putin and certainly not all those around him.

    This is not a video game. Even a short exchange of atomic bombs would kill millions and cause untold misery for millions more, for years. If tonight a nuclear bomb detonates over Dublin airport, pretty much everything within the M50; men, women, children, infrastructure, our cultural history and everything else, all those pasts and futures will be incinerated. And for weeks and months the fallout will rain down across Leinster and beyond causing death eithe soon or cancers for a generation. Paris, London, Madrid, Berlin, the 'eternal city' Rome, yes even Moscow, the same. Gone like they were never there.

    Them's the facts people. We can rant all we like, but when a muppet has that button, that's the awful reality of it. Just be grateful he's not the only one with the button.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,530 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    They're not declaring war for the same reason the US hasn't in all their adventures since ww2.

    If you're officially at war that places certain trade and logistical limits on all third parties, although it might be in Russia's interest to do so now with the sanctions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No, flight radar works purely on plane transponders transmitting the planes location and plane details like altitude, heading and speed, so planes with transpoders turned off won't show and I'd imagine military transponders could probably accept invented flight data inputs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    The Iran deal is pretty important. Given that Putin is holding the west hostage with his nuclear weapons do you really think it is a good idea to allow Iran to get nuclear weapons too? A nuclear armed Iran will put the entire Middle East on eggshells permanently. Israel, the US, UAE and Saudi all know this so its why a deal with Iran to allow weapons inspectors into the country to ensure they are not making nuclear weapons is so important. The US wouldnt be in this situation had Trump not ripped up the previous Iran deal in the first place, Biden is just repairing the damage Trump did with the Iranians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Well Bozo Iran are an enemy of Saudi Arabia, it doesn’t make it right but same thing happened in Afghanistan west armed the afghans against the soviets not out of some morale stance but to weaken the soviets.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Good enough for them, though they are acting like professional soldiers rather than the raw recruits and conscripts we've seen elsewhere. They're calm, they don't engage, they're not reactive and when they do react it's by shooting into the sky to clear the crowd. It seems pretty clear to me, or at least is suggestive, at least with that group that they've orders not to engage civilians with lethal force.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,430 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Wait.


    Earlier on today you were saying the US will sell out Ukraine and sanction this and undermine their own sanctions on purpose.


    Your all over the place fella all over the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Pretty sure there are words to describe folk who tar 140m+ people with the same brush. So you've come across some rude Russians. You've been unfortunate. The rudest tourists I ever met were Americans. I don't think Americans are rude as a whole. Just as with the USA, there are Russians from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds and their culture, mannerisms etc are completely different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    The Iran deal will give Iran a nuke, as it does not call for their nuke sites to be shut down/dismantled. It also runs out in 9 years or so. Iran has dozens of proxy militias in various countries. The most well known is Hezbollah. The cash injection they'll get from Biden lifting sanctions, means Iran will cause havoc in the M.E just as they did after Obama gave them pallets of cash. They initiated a war in Yemen, they've hijacked Lebanon completely, they're entrenching in Syria and have essentially made Iraq an unwilling satellite state. Iran will continue to build their nuclear weapons with little to no scrutiny.

    Anyway, it's all academic. Iran's nuclear sites will be attacked by Israel and Gulf states in due course.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    Nope, not at all. Multiple sources corroborate this.



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What percentage of Russians that you meet are rude and uncultured?

    Uncultured? Out of curiosity have you ever heard of Fyodor Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Tchaikovsky, the Russian ballet? Silly question, of course you haven't. Your real life experience of Russians seems to be a fat lad stealing your seat by the pool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Not necessarily fishy. Jailing her would more than likely thrown fuel on the fire in terms of inviting demonstrations.

    When Navalny was jailed on trumped up charges, people went out on to the streets and not just in Moscow, Putin didn't expect that to happen and Navalny was released. A short time later Navalny's brother found himself on a wanted list.

    When the commotion caused by her protest dies down, there will be repercussions. It may not be her who suffers them but somebody close to her will answer for it.



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  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Another update from YouTube veteran Lars on how sanctions are arriving in rural Russia. Just beginning to seep in by the looks of it. You can also sense a bit of fear for what the future holds. Also, his comments about 'bloodthirsty viewers wanting to see people starving' made me think of some posters on this thread.




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