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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    Not even close at this stage and probably never



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    How original



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Other than testing new military tech in an actual warzone, remember china has gone through a massive military modernisation program , but very little of their own built designs stolen from other countries,has actually been fielded in actual combat

    It would be a gamble. I'm not sure they want to align themselves that strongly with Russia. They might not outright condemn Putin, but I doubt they are happy with the way things have gone. The invasion is having an impact on the Chinese economy, too.

    It's in China's interest to keep trading with the West as their economy is reliant on it. Risking sanctions by supplying arms to Russia for a war they care little for would be a strategic blunder.



  • Posts: 9,117 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whilst it’s encouraging that Russians are using VPN’s, let’s not assume that all of them are doing so, because they are interested or give a sh1te about what their government are doing in Ukraine.

    By now, I’d say most Russians in the main cities have a fair idea what’s going on in Ukraine or at least have seen alternative viewpoints. It may not translate into mass demonstrations by millions of people as we’d hoped it would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Hard to see China completely cutting off Russia for now if Russia prostrates itself to China in terms of natural resources. China will be sternly warned, I expect, by USA on Monday about offering military aid to Russia, and I don't think China is going to break its back in that regard, but my feeling is that they may at least offer Russia enough rope to continue hanging itself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The consensus amoung ordinary Russians is we know whats a happening in Ukraine but we are powerless to stop it .



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    yeah, I've definitely lost optimism regading an uprising in Russia. Things will have to get a lot worse for that to happen. Huge admiration for those that spoke out. 14,000 arrested so far was the figure I saw. But protests won't do it.. they are almost always proven to fail in Russia. I almost feel bad for cheering them on. :/ Only violence could overthrow the Russian state, and that capability would have to come from within some part of the state itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    What about Moldova? Are the West rushing aid and weapons in there in advance of any incursion or attack by the Ruskis?

    Those planes they can't "give" to Ukraine? Why not send them to Moldova at least



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I've heard that there was a tactic of 'holding your enemy close'. Especially if they have better artillary and air support. Mixing it with the Russians inside Kyiv would mean that they can't deploy mass bombings/barrage as it would kill many of their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Has that been sitting in your drafts since Friday haha

    In glad to see they have not taken it also



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    Nope, like yourself I can view my notifications :-) but for sure I had your post in mind because I thought it was very pessimistic going by the experience of the disasterous Russian ground campaign so far. Kyiv will be a graveyard for Russian soldiers be of no doubt of that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    I would bet there is a very well placed leak in the Russian command which has been passing info on to the US. The US press publicising this will continue to make Putin more isolated and unsure of his position. It does seem to lend credence to the leak that Putin was furious that cruise missiles had been used on an airport.

    Even in this dire situation you have to laugh at the prospect of Russian tank drivers trying to read Chinese instructions ‘if only green light show, press red before but not. Put foot on leg to go under from top side. Pull pleasant chain with soft hand.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    China abstained on the UN vote. If I remember correctly Syria, Belarus, North Korea and someone else backed the Russians so North Korea might be a better bet for them to head to with the begging bowl.


    Edit: the other country was Eritrea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Seeing reports that Kadyrov is in Ukraine. If that's true it presents a massive opportunity to take out a very visible ally of Putin's and maybe destabilise the pro-Russian regime in Chechnya. Wouldn't surprise me if there are some operatives without flags on the ground tasked with removing him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    An interesting article here on the current situation with Russia in an interview with the former NATO Secretary-General

    Putin won't stop in Ukraine:





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    That's one move , but that leaves the yanks free to focus on south east Asia and the Pacific , without needing to look over their shoulder at Russia as well ... or they keep Russia in the game - Russia is under their thumb ,and desperate to "get back at the west " ,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭briany


    This article claims that the pro-Russian region of Moldova - Transnistria - is taking a neutral stance on the conflict for now because the quasi-state also has links to Ukraine. Interesting situation in Moldova, but I don't see Russia pushing into it in any meaningful way. Maybe Transnistria would elect to join the Russian federation if Russia could carve out a swathe of territory along the south of Ukraine and geographically link up, I don't know, just a thought, but if it were to occur, it wouldn't even necessarily require an incursion as Transnistria de facto controls its own territory. As for going into the rest of Moldova, it's more culturally aligned to Romania, as far as I know. It wouldn't line up with Mad Vlad's current idea of uniting the Russian peoples of Great Russia (Russian Federation), White Russia (Belarus) and Little Russia (Ukraine).

    As for why they don't move planes through Moldova, if they could they probably would. I'm sure there are reasons and not that those of us on boards have considered something they haven't. 😉



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    More ripple effects. Italian steel mills and papermills had to close last week due to soaring energy costs.

    If this conflict goes on for mcuh longer, things are going to reach a point where we will have to transition to a war time economy to keep European manufacturing going. This will solve the labor shortage in manufacturing, but it will also mean massive government support (on top of all the Covid supports given over the past two years). It could also mean rolling blackouts for consumers, IMO, as energy is focused on manufacturing.

    Italian paper mills that make everything from pizza boxes to furniture packaging ground to a halt as Russia’s war in Ukraine has sent natural gas prices skyrocketing. And it’s not just paper. Italian steel mills, likewise, turned off electric furnaces last week. And fishermen, facing huge spikes in oil prices, stayed in port, mending nets instead of casting them.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    China selling arms to Russia wouldn’t be a “moral” issue for China.

    Oh crikey, absolutely. That wasn't my point. China have their interests and morals do not feature in the equation. No question.

    However, selling arms to Russia may rock the boat as regards trade with the West. That would be an issue for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,507 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I would suggest people across the EU would be prepared to accept all this. The priority has to be that the Russian tyrant is defeated and withdraws from Ukraine, even if it sets off a recession (think how dangerous things would be for Europe if he won).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't think the West can afford to go to heavy on sanctions against China if China elects to help Russia. So much of what we use on a daily basis is made in China. Diplomacy is a particularly fine balancing act in a globalised supply chain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I guess we will have to wait change at the top when ever that will come, but come it will. And then you will see all roads leading to the Kremlin chock a block with humanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    Yep seen that, if there is one person more traitorous and evil to his own people that Putin it's that cnuk , lets hope he has a "glorious" death



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The Russians are already there in Moldova,

    And oddly enough American bought the majority of the Moldovan mig29s back in the 90's , Moldova can't afford to keep and fly an airforce ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They launched missles Into Ukraine in support of Russia



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh yes, agreed. I share those stories to put it out there that we need to prepare for these things and be ready to help out (not to suggest that we stop supporting Ukraine). I think it will be worse than a recession, BTW, and because of how broken the supply chains are and the incredible levels of debt held by Western governments, I thought this before Russia invaded Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,333 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    No. But they could park them in the sheds and then if the Russians start acting the bollix, they could accept a few Ukrainian refugees that happen to be qualified pilots.


    It would give the Russians some "excuse" to invade Moldova as well, but I don't think that that would be as important a consideration given what they have already done.


    I'm being overly simplistic of course, but I'm sure there might be some way.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fake I think, since I'm not seeing it mentioned on any Chechen resistance websites



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    That is a grim prospect of how life might be under a Russian puppet regime. And some people here question why the Ukrainians would want to fight against that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭maebee


    I used to scoff at the great "Re-set the world" crew during covid. I don't think that crew had Putin in mind.



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