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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    And then there's people who can't work hard due to illness, injuries etc.

    Unfortunately I'm now in that category after looking after myself for most of my life. I was hit by a car by a driver not looking at where he was going. I've got a severe back injury and just been diagnosed with a form of epilepsy from this incident.

    Since this happened I've put on 13.6 kilos. That's what happens to a fit person when they can't train.

    So if you are going to make a statement of fact get it right or don't post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Such a stupid comment. Mild illness lol, tell that to the families of all the people that lost somebody to covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Most people were happy with the lockdowns because they wanted to stay safe and it kept the clowns and criminals away.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It is a mild illness. There is no way you can look at Ireland's excess deaths over the last 2 years and claim COVID is not mild.

    Sadly, all it takes is a very mild illness to kill people very elderly and/or unhealthy people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That just means it's available as a tool, if a country chooses to use it. It's likely most if not all will drop that requirement fairly soon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    @eagle eye ah good old eagle eye. I remember during Christmas 2020 you were proclaiming a new wonder drug that would end the Pandemic in weeks. Apparently your brother who is a "Scientist" told you about it. Remind me. How did that work out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so



    As a public health emergency we have moved on and case numbers, despite the continued media enthusiasm for them, is as interesting as how many people you know with a head cold. Quite a chunk of the hospital total is incidental or based around outbreaks. The only numbers that matter are the very low ICU levels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    I'm not saying covid cannot be serious in certain people but here is my real world evidence week. I'm a teacher and out of my class of 26 I had 15 out this week with covid. Biggest out break by far. I can't say it's down to the non wearing of masks as the kids were never wearing them. Although I was but stopped on the 28th of Feb. No child was seriously ill. Headaches, high temps aches and pains for 2 to 3 days are the effects. Currently at home with a 6 year old with it and bar sounding awful due to a blocked nose and a temp spiking at night they are fine. Spent yesterday jumping off the bed. My older child seems to have caught it too even though nothing on antigen yet but has a temp.


    I know of other schools with outbreaks this week also and kids are experiencing similar symptoms. All would be sick enough to stay home for a couple of days and then head back.


    I also know of family members in their late 60s/early 70s with it and bar a sore throat and feeling a bit off all are fine. There is also another respiratory illness going at the moment which is much more serious than covid. Have seen this first hand this week too.


    Again this is not saying that people will not get seriously ill with it the vast majority will be absolutely fine.



  • Posts: 183 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Most is not equal to all.

    What you describe here is a de facto tyranny of the majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    You missed the "vast majority of people" bit.

    We are still injecting children Ffs.

    Deplorable stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Sammy2012



    I don't think too many are getting their kids vaccinated. There wasn't a massive uptake in the children's vaccine. Both myself and my husband had covid at Christmas and the kids didn't catch it so we said no the vaccine and have never doubted our decision. And based on the evidence in our house it's been a good decision. My kids have been sicker with vomiting bug!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I feel sorry for the people of China. Omicron is hitting now and their only reaction is LOCKDOWN. They will have a hard time containing the highly transmissable virus unless you have a permanent lockdown. You won’t contain or eradicate it. The future and freedoms of China’s people is looking very bleak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Obviously you have all the numbers so can you give us a breakdown of the number of deaths by age bracket in this country from covid please.

    Let's say over 65's and under 65's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Majority rules in a democratic society. Do you want to live in some other form of society? If so find another country that suits your needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Please explain what's wrong with vaccinating kids? Back it up with proof from respected scientists and doctors or don't bother replying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    You seem angry that restrictions and lockdowns are gone. It’s time you got used to it. If you’re frightened you stay at home and let other people get on with their lives.

    You were in an accident which is unfortunate. Life isn’t safe. It has risks. Maybe if we were in lockdown for the last 20 years maybe your accident may not have happened., right?



  • Posts: 183 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Democracies turn themselves into tyrannies during times of war (we may observe this in real time soon), and, from now on, it seems: during times of pandemic (recall that lockdown was never a part of pandemic response strategy under ECDC or UK SAGE guidelines prior to 2020). Pandemic and disease are an inherent component of human existence from the beginning of time, yet lockdown of healthy people has not been.

    Frankly, I'd rather have lived anywhere other than Ireland the past two years - but it's not currently financially viable. The moment it is, I shall consider moving to a democracy that has moderation and restraint and is less vulnerable to tyranny of the majority - I've said it before and no doubt will say it again: There is more to life than the avoidance of death.

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  • Posts: 543 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hong Kong is currently recording some of the worst death figures of the entire pandemic. Seen some estimates that put less than 50% of China's elderly vaccinated and most of them with inferior inactivated vaccines.

    Things could get really ugly there over the next few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You are delusional if you think I miss lockdowns or facemasks.

    I'll still wear an ffp2 in crowds for a bit of personal protection but generally I avoid crowds and that's something that I've done for many years prior to covid. I prefer to spend my time with less people around so I can actually have a conversation without struggling to hear what people are saying.

    By the way I hate masks. Only reason I'll wear them in busy places is to continue to try and avoid covid as I haven't contracted it yet. I'd like to continue to avoid it for another four years or so if I could until such time as we can be sure there are no long terms affects from contracting it.

    Of course you probably think that's unreasonable but I'd suggest you really haven't a clue what you are talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    No point vaccinating kids against something that is harmless to them.

    Digging into their innocent brains that they are fighting in some sort of war.

    And yes, just 3 months ago that's what Leo said.

    Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has said the fight against the Covid-19 virus would be a ‘long war’ that could go on for many years.

    Then suddenly a real war comes along and out pretend war is all forgotten about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I've been through tougher times than covid living in this country. The last two years were tough but doing the right thing to protect against a disease that ended so many lives was the right thing to do imo.

    If I was reckless and ended up passing the virus onto somebody that died I'd never be able to forgive myself.

    Protecting my own parents and family was paramount as it's always been.

    I read a lot from respected people worldwide on this virus.

    I don't watch Irish TV at all so never got affected by RTE or any other source which drove a fear through a lot if society.

    I live my life using math to find the best way forward from financial and risk assessment points of view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Actually i still wear masks in public and take all the precautions for now, i avoid large gatherings too for now . My work involves dealing with the public so i have always been a high risk of catching it. I have absolutely nothing against you for wearing masks and taking precautions.

    One thing i’m against is shutdowns and lockdowns. We can’t go on like that forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I asked you to back up your response with quotes from respected scientists and doctors but you didn't do that. I won't be wasting my time reading any more of your personal uneducated views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Actually I'm finished with this now for the moment. So if you quote me don't expect a response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I think it puts to bed that Omicron is milder than other variants. I think the lesser impact is a combination of immunity from previous infections and vaccination, that’s how it looks anyway?



  • Posts: 183 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's not an unreasonable reply.

    I have lived in various different democracies in my time and each has pros and cons, naturally. Smaller democracies have shown a tendency toward majority tyranny, however.

    My chief complaint with the approach was proportionality and the elimination of individual choice. Covid is very selective in it's targets, yet we tackled it with very unselective methods. If we were talking about smallpox (mortality rate of about 30%), then I could understand the approach. But, we were talking about a disease that prior to vaccines had a mortality rate of (as estimated by the University of Cambridge) less than 1%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Emotional manipulation.


    That was another one from the "follow the science" crew when confronted with statements that went against their world view. The fact remains that for the vast majority of the population, without vaccines, it is a mild illness and always has been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Disappearing now that you have been called out on something. Not surprised tbh.

    For 2 years you lived in a pretend war and now your little world has been shattered by a real war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Under the age of 40, without vaccines the mortality rate from suicide per 100,000 of the population was three times higher than the mortality rate from COVID. Surely that says a lot when almost half our population is under 40.

    But I never heard calls to treat mental health in younger people as an emergency. Our COVID response was directed by groupthink at the decision maker level; older people in their 50s and 60s make up the majority of the positions of power in politics, health and business in this country, and they were the ones at risk from COVID so, with their positions of power, were able to coordinate society wide restrictions notwithstanding that for over half the population I would use the word "negligible" to describe COVID infections (assuming the negligible barometer is needing to go to hospital for treatment).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,506 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Don't feed it lads



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