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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It’s a deflection of the issue and no help to solve the problem of unsustainably high prices. It wasn’t just patronising of Ryan, it was ignorant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,414 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It wasn't meant to contradict you, I posted it to add to the discussion which appears to be more timely than some on here thought.

    You know that the lighter the touch on the accelerator the better the fuel economy but as you say there is more to it than that.

    Motorists can save fuel in all driving situations, country roads, motorways, city traffic etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    When someone’s speech impediment is used as a stick to beat him it then you know ignorants has taken over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    When someone’s speech impediment is used as a stick to beat him it then you know ignorants has taken over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,368 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Don't give a toss about his speech impediment, more his lack of awareness and grounding in the reality that the people of this country (that he is supposed to serve) live in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,414 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You know as well as the rest of us that the major factor in causing those unsustainably high prices is the war in Ukraine.

    You can call him ignorant and patronising till the cows come home but the advice was still based in science and common sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Come out the fog, speech impediment my arse, he couldn’t even remember the name of the country, is that you Eamon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It wasn’t genuine advice. That’s what annoys people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,414 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It was genuine as well as good advice.

    What annoys people is the price going up ER is just a scapegoat for the Kremlin mafia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,050 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Maybe because the entire contribution of Ireland towards the small Anthropogenic fraction of CO2 in the Atemosphere since 1920 is a whopping 0.13% Knock yourself out, though...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    When are we reopening the peat bogs now that gas, oil and coal prices have crazy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,740 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    To be perfectly honest I didn`t see where the link you posted added to anything. I found it as ambiguous as Ryan`s utterance when it comes to the most efficient driving speed for fuel consumption.

    For me Ryan`s mutterings came across as nothing much more than either condescendence from a Minister completely out of his depth without a clue how to deal with the problem, or that he could not care less about the problem.

    Either way, not a good look for a Minister for Transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,050 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    Gormley in 2007:

    "“Too often, the message goes out that environmental issues means higher taxes and that’s not correct,” he told eolas. “We have to get rid of that perception." And then...

    "A RAFT of new environmental taxes -- including increases in the price of petrol and diesel -- are now essential for the Green Party to stay in Government.

    The party is determined to "flex its muscles" to get a carbon tax from Taoiseach Brian Cowen to tackle climate change.

    The carbon tax, which Green Party leader John Gormley has insisted will be in this December's Budget, is expected to push up petrol and diesel prices next year.

    It could also spark price increases in other fossil-fuel products such as home heating oil, electricity and gas." https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/greens-put-coalition-on-line-over-fuel-taxes-26552246.html

    Greens are liars.

    In case it has escaped your attention there is vat on all fuels - petrol, diesel, heating kerosene. This is levied as a percentage of the cost of the fuel, so as prices rise, so does the government's gouging windfall. Them reducing a fixed rate like excise was a deliberate sop and distraction from the effect a percentage tax like VAT is contributing to the misery. Trust a Greenie to try and distract from that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Not for the first time you pushed that line in this thread, where do that numbers from? They are counting NOT taxing fuel in airports and farms and fixing potholes as subsidies, in other words they are making sh!t up to suit an agenda. Here is the actual source report for that number.

    Broader externalities associated with the use of road fuels in vehicles, such as traffic congestion and accidents (most important) and road damage (less important). Although motorists may take into account (“internalize”) some of these costs in their driving decisions (for example, the average amount of congestion on the road, the risk of injuring themselves in single-vehicle collisions), they do not take into account other costs such as their own contribution to congestion and slower travel speeds, injury risks to pedestrians and cyclists and occupants of other vehicles, and the burden on third parties of property damage and medical costs (van Bentham 2015).


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Brian Cowan and Gormley 😂

    10+ years ago was the comments you came up

    I will let you into a little secret, with time things change. Priorities change all the time. Like now, a war is in Europe so what seemed important a few months ago(Covid) is not anymore.

    I am sure if anyone was bothered we could find loads of quotes from all the parties which now are totally different from what they are saying now. Give an example for the new favorite Sinn Fein, it's 140k as clip for more tax, opps sorry its 100k 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The weather has been quite windy lately, even so take a look at this graph.

    Untitled Image

    The gap between forecast and actual is 1,077 MW and it happens during peak consumption at 19:00 when there is no sunshine. You are making the claim that although wind power is variable, it is also predictable. After all, we are assured, weather forecasts are now so accurate that they can predict wind speeds in advance. That is not the case. I watch this dashboard semi-regularly more often than not the forecast is above actual delivery.

    Fortunately the country has the CCGT capacity to fill these gaps. You can triple or quadruple wind capacity which is the stated intention, all this means is when the wind blows the turbine generators go broke selling below supply cost electricity to the grid while the Coal/CCGT genarators can demand a premium to make up the deficit caued by random energy, they can even engage in below cost selling for short periods knowing they will make it up later. In Green finance land they think this is a sure winner because the "supports" guarantee the trade, they should pay attention to what happened in Spain in the aftermath of the 2008-2014 crash or at least try to offload on the pension funds before the bottom falls out of the market. . . .

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,194 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I can’t believe people are giving credit to someone who says if you drive slower you use less fuel.


    Duhhhhhh.


    But then again a lot of the population need to have their hand held like a child so I’m not surprised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Now I do like the way the truth never gets in the way of a story. The Greens and SF actually sat down first to discuss forming a government, as we can all remember then Sinn Fein disappeared for month, not even PBP or the "left" could find them.

    It was only after FF/FG/Greens came today and had created a government that Sinn fein came running back into the picture telling everyone it was terrible that the other parties had formed a government.

    Even if FF/FG had not formed the government and forced SF into acting, they would of had to bring the Greens into the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,467 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Forecasting not being 100% accurate is not the same as random

    And the chaotic nature of weather means that a bigger grid can forecast more accurately.

    Often we know days in advance that a storm is coming and will hit northern Europe, but we don't know the exact track until hours before it reaches us. Therefore forecasting wind speeds in my back garden is much less accurate than forecasting average wind speeds over the continent of Europe

    This is why advocates of renewable energy want big interconnected grids with dispersed generation so supply is hedged across multiple locations and energy sources

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,337 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Back when I was learning to drive my granddad told me every time you use the accelerator or the brake you're giving money to the government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    except Ireland doesn’t exist in its own biosphere per capita Ireland is one of the biggest polluters in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    So when you include the stuff you’ve mentioned it’s actually more money.

    You never give any evidence to back up you’re “opinions “. Behind all your waffle your only solution is to dig more wells and pump more oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭cal naughton


    When all other arguments fail trot out the per capita stat!

    The only measure of pollution is the millions of tonnes of co2 that is released into the atmosphere by each country.

    Comparing Ireland with its small population to global polluters with huge populations like China and India where most people live in extreme poverty and probably cause very little pollution to bring down there per capita stats is utterly bizarre.

    But i guess that is what the green mandarins have suggested is trotted out to convince the plebs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Lol, the future is coming wether or not your ready for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭cal naughton




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,398 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Its amazing people here defending this clown when nearly half his own party have no confidence in him.

    Oh and if I fell asleep when I was supposed to be working I'd be fired.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Page 57: https://library.wmo.int/doc_num.php?explnum_id=8346

    “the surface temperature of the Earth (at present near 288 deg K or 15 deg C) has not greatly changed over a period of 2 x 109 years."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,050 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The most fuel efficient operating mode of an ICE engine is during maximum, open throttle acceleration. Weirdly counter-intuitive.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,740 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    We are not living in our own biosphere, but listening to the Green Party and their supporters you could imagine we were.

    65% of greenhouse gases are from CO2 emissions. Primarily from coal burning electricity producing plants. 5 countries are responsible for 61% of those omissions. China, Russia, Japan, India and the USA.

    Do a bit of research and get back to me on the commitments those 5 that we share the same biosphere with gave at COP26 on changing that.

    Unlike here none of them are prepared to to wreck their economies for the sake of little old Ireland.



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