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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The one thing I don’t really think makes sense is the notion that Putin can keep complete control of the narrative at home. He’s not achieving that as it is. It’s not the 1930s nor is Russia North Korea. It didn’t even have the level of media control that China has until very recently.

    People have an expectation of being able to see the outside world. They’ve been cut off and will have noticed that very dramatically at this stage. Many have access to satellite TV, relations abroad, VPNs and all sorts of stuff.

    One story about someone’s particularly naive relative in Siberia being brainwashed does not equate to all of Russian society.

    At the influential end - finance, media, commercial, academia, even just people who pay attention to the world outside and small businesses who trade online and so on there has to be some kind of realisation that the entire world hasn’t some grand conspiracy to get them for no apparent reason and this must be wrong.

    I don’t think Putin can hide behind propaganda for any considerable length of time. Nor can he realistically just preside over a dramatic collapse in living standards and sudden complete access to the outside world.

    Russians also don’t have a history of blind trust in the government - they typically in my experience of ever talking to them don’t trust it at all because of the soviet history and tend to be a bit wary of the state at all times.

    A lot of people have been very seriously impacted by this and I really can’t believe that they’ll all just fall into line with some line from Putin.

    I mean, yes it’s an authoritarian state, but not a very effective one and it’s one where a lot of people have a strong expectation of a western like lifestyle and a fairly reasonable amount of personal freedom, even if they weren’t likely to critique the government.

    Something has to give and very soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So uh, do you remember, Chernobyl?

    That entire region bordering Ukraine and Russia is still irradiated AF.

    Suddenly, every biologist not accounted for is accused of making bioweapons? Please.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Incredibly, nobody was killed by the bomb that landed beside the maternity hospital in Mariupol - 17 people were injured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭liamtech


    They may have genuine concerns - i know the USIC spoke to Macron after his call(s) and the topic was Putin's mental state - definitely concerning

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Comrades, the fog has been lifted from my eyes!

    During the day, 5,460 people, including 1,125 children, were evacuated from danger zones in various districts of Ukraine, LNR and DNR without Kiev's participation, the Defense Ministry reports.


    Russia appeals to international organizations and the ICRC to take measures to encourage Kiev to evacuate its citizens, the Russian Defence Ministry has said.

    Currently, Ukrainian radicals continue to hold more than 4.5 million civilians hostage as "human shields.


    In Mariupol, nationalists blew up a power line and tanks with fuel, without evacuating residents of nearby residential buildings, the Defense Ministry said.

    The situation of citizens in Mariupol has reached catastrophic proportions as a result of the monstrous actions of the nationalists and the city administration.


    Russia is closely observing the actions of the Ukrainian side by means of objective control, both on the ground and from the air, but not a single practical measure for the preparation of humanitarian columns has been undertaken so far, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    No one has ever arrived at the open humanitarian corridors and no organized humanitarian convoys have been formed. The civilian population and foreign citizens in any of the settlements were not notified.


    "The liberation process will go faster now, because we have already gone to the enemy's rear."

    DNR People's Militia spokesman Eduard Basurin told Zvezda about the progress of the special operation in Ukraine.

    "We are very active in forcing the Ukrainian military into peace and destroying all the enemy's firing points from which they are firing on the residential areas of our cities."


    Unfortunately, several facts have come to light regarding the presence of conscripts in units of the Russian Armed Forces taking part in a special military operation in Ukraine. Almost all such servicemen have already been withdrawn to Russian territory, the Defense Ministry said.

    At the same time, one of the units performing logistics tasks was attacked by a sabotage group of a national battalion. A number of servicemen, including conscripts, were captured.

    At present, exhaustive measures are being taken to prevent the conscripts from being sent to the areas of combat operations and to release the captured servicemen.


    Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

    Translations courtesy of https://www.deepl.com/translator

    That Telegram channel is a goldmine of enlightenment. 🤥



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Lucky people - Imagine the horror of returning to the clusterfuck that is the Motherland.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If Putin has lost it, it just shows the extreme danger of any system that places that much unaccountable, unquestionable power in a single person. There's always the risk of someone going off the rails.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think if I were in their position, I'd stay there!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭liamtech


    If they go home, they will be free to visit the wondrous state of Belarus next year. and north korea after that

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Vlad's cronies must have gotten some amount of abuse from the mommies of the conscripts for the Ministry of Defense to release this statement..

    Unfortunately, several facts have come to light [1] regarding the presence of conscripts in units of the Russian Armed Forces taking part in a special military operation in Ukraine. Almost all such servicemen have already been withdrawn to Russian territory, the Defense Ministry said.

    At the same time, one of the units performing logistics tasks was attacked by a sabotage group of a national battalion. [2] A number of servicemen, including conscripts, were captured.

    At present, exhaustive measures are being taken to prevent the conscripts from being sent [3] to the areas of combat operations and to release the captured servicemen.

    There's a factual beauty to the statements.

    1. It's unfortunate for the Russian regime that an element of the truth has been revealed
    2. 'performing logistics tasks' is an obvious euphemism for 'looting' or 'chilling in a farm shed'
    3. 'exhaustive measures' - seeing as the conscripts are already in the area of combat operations, they can no longer be sent there and there is no need to prevent this from happening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Polar101


    This is actually very reliable information - it's just that generally the complete opposite of it is what actually happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Hopefully something might come out of these talks because the country will be demolished and huge loss of life will be the result of a prolonged war . Poor as the Russian army has been they can surely throw some serious firepower and casualties will be huge . I don't know what the most Ukraine can hope for but they will pay a huge price if it continues .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    God, I am f*cking disgusted by this guy. He is meant to be representing us at European level. No amount of roubles could make me tweet something so horrific



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Himself and Daly should travel themselves and show off their diplomatic skills off to the world and clean up all these wars .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,548 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    My view is the majority of people in Russia are not in favour of a war with Ukraine. The 70 percent figure is ridiculous. If I was a Russian person asked in a survey by someone unknown to me in Russia about whether I support something that the current dictator has done...I would likely say yes (even if I didn't believe it) and I dare say a significant percentage of the people asked would do the same. Just look at what he does to anyone who is perceived to be against him.

    Also quit with the insults zero need for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Meanwhile in other parts of the world, could we be looking at a potential second invasion of a country in 2022?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,061 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If China were to ever invade Taiwan, it would be smart of them to wait until the voice of international condemnation is hoarse and then move in. I don't think China can really be sanctioned. They make all our stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Russia pulling out of the CoE it seems.

    From another source I see the Foreign Minister stated:-

    "Russia will not participate in the transformation by NATO and the EU obediently following them of the oldest European organization into another platform for incantations about Western superiority and narcissism"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There is no priest as bad as a Socialist priest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Russian art doesn't express any kind of jingoism or militarism that I'm aware of.

    Tolstoy became a pacifist after his experiences in the Crimean war as an artillery officer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭growleaves


    With Zelensky no longer seeking NATO membership, a compromise peace may not be far off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    You are trying to derail the thread with Kremlin bot nonsense and off topic fantasy.


    Probably your job.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unlikely to be honest.

    Ukraine and Russia are too far apart in the negotiations



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    I think that it was a bit of kite flying by the minister / to be seen to be doing something/ to remain relevant . Anybody with a basic grasp of Irish agriculture would know fairly fast that the idea is a non runner . Some of the more informed boardies here have stated why it’s not on . It was a totally different set of circumstances during the Second World War when , from what I understand , every farmer was , by emergency law ‘obliged to grow a certain acreage of a grain crop . International trading was not as developed then as it is now . So we play to our strengths export our surplus, earn foreign exchange and use it to import what we want . Ukraine is not the only country that produces the type of grain we need . What the minister should be doing, along with I’ll other relevant ministers - probably them all- is to set up is to set up a committee on the basis of a wartime footing and if an emergency exists and go from there

    This committee - could be cross party- should look at every aspect of the economy/ government business and how this war may impact on it but ESPECIALLY indicate the kind of things we can do for ourselves



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