The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne

mary 2021 · 09-03-2022 12:15AM

the old TD salary is good enough to employ a fulltime house keeper to mind the kids if the woman wants to be in politics then hire a good house keeper a live in one and give her a small car to drive the kids to school.

padd b1975 · 09-03-2022 08:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754913#Comment_118754913

Maybe that waster she's married to could finally step up.

blanch152 · 09-03-2022 08:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754742#Comment_118754742

Well, if you haven't noticed that the bullying problem is bigger in Sinn Fein than elsewhere, you have being going around like the ostrich in the sand.

Fair play to Francie for digging every small nugget of whataboutery that he could find in a failed attempt to shift the issue onto everyone, but the list of women bullied out of Sinn Fein or bullied by Sinn Fein is far longer than any other party.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 08:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755353#Comment_118755353

The issue is much bigger than 'just' SF, which is what the poster claimed. Sorry blanch. correcting wrong statements is not 'whataboutery'.

You and a certain cohort, so concerned about the victim always. only want the light shone one way. That is quite evident by now...fair play!

blanch152 · 09-03-2022 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755374#Comment_118755374

If you want to be truly accurate (and I am sure you don't), then the accurate picture is that it is a huge problem in Sinn Fein and it is a tiny bit bigger if you include all other parties.

That tiny bit bigger shouldn't distract anyone from the fact that it is a huge problem in Sinn Fein, and anyone who is using that tiny bit to distract from the huge problem in Sinn Fein is effectively acting as an apologist for Sinn Fein and a defender of the misogynistic culture within Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755508#Comment_118755508

I think it is more than clear now that the 'problem' is the SF agenda.

People for instance jumping on what was an offensive, rude remark and hanging the person for misogyny which requires a far higher bar to be reached and a much more insightful process to prove.

Losing the run of themselves to put it another way. Like Regina jumping on the same bandwagon with the same agenda and claiming she had evidence of 40 abusers within SF...NONE of which ever materialised.

Only the blind would not get the drift of what is going on. 'Truly accurate' indeed.

blanch152 · 09-03-2022 09:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755580#Comment_118755580

There you go again, downplaying misogyny because it involves Sinn Fein. Fairly standard, very disgusting.

Sure, you will be back to telling us that Mairia Cahill agreed to be abused by the kangaroo court, that is if you believe that it even happened.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 09:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755616#Comment_118755616

Ah Mairia, quickly forgotten and cast aside too, once her usefulness was exhausted.

Obscene really, how women are used by those touting this agenda. Anyone could see what was happening if they looked to all the victims the government of the time were ignoring.

Quite similar to this case, a woman once vilified when she was a member of a certain organisation, used to champion a cause against that organisation when she made allegations, those who have a penchant for hanging on the foot of an allegation (if it is against a certain organisation0 tripping over themselves to volte face and get the digs in, certainly not for any concern for what she had allegedly suffered at the hands of her abuser/rapist.

The hypocrisy is all there for those who wish to see it.

mikethecop · 09-03-2022 10:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754742#Comment_118754742

we already had this conversation bruice and you and francie were exposed again , not going around in circles with ye again its just sad for ye a this stage

blanch152 · 09-03-2022 10:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755648#Comment_118755648

Not at all, not forgotten, not cast aside, I keep an eye on Mairia's social media, offering support where relevant. I am sure that you are an avid reader of her independent columns.

What is obscene is how women are treated by people like Sinn Fein and how posters try to brush it under the carpet and try to make it about the poster who raised it than about the issue itself.

End of the day, Francie, are you going to condemn the way that Mairia Cahill was treated by Sinn Fein or the misogyny that VAW was subject to from people in Sinn Fein? Are you going to look for public apologies and offers of resignation? Like hell you will.

So put that criticism of others back in your pocket, sit down and do yourself a favour by not exposing how little you support women abused by Sinn Fein and how much you castigate those who raised these issues on behalf of those women as if those who raise the issues are the problem.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 10:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755685#Comment_118755685

'Exposed'? 😁

I voted for SF mike, never hid the fact or pretended I voted for others.

If you think you are going to be allowed to lie that the party I chose to vote is 'just' the one with a problem, thereby implying I am somehow complicit in it, you have another thing coming.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 10:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755744#Comment_118755744

Mairia is sadly just another useful selective victim blanch, dragged out with one goal in mind - you did it just now yourself.

As pathetic as it is predictable. VAW will no doubt be added to the selective list.

I don't use the victims of abuse or alleged abuse in other parties in that way. I would never say their abuse or alleged abuse occurred specifically because they were in one particular party nor blame the party ideology. Abuse happens because of the person and their character not because they have certain political beliefs.

That's the obscenity of your agenda.

atticu · 09-03-2022 10:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118751680#Comment_118751680

I have read your posts in this thread, and that does not seem to be the case.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 10:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755909#Comment_118755909

All you have to do is look at the reaction when 'bullying elsewhere' is mentioned. Suddenly those concerned are upset it is mentioned. 😁 It's not about victims therefore but the 'topic'.

atticu · 09-03-2022 11:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755930#Comment_118755930

I have no idea what you are on about.

But, having read your posts on this thread, it would seem that you are not concerned with the bulling going on in SF.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 11:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755968#Comment_118755968

Yes I am. I have said (if you 'read the thread') that if this was abuse it needs to be dealt with.

blanch152 · 09-03-2022 11:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755930#Comment_118755930

Nobody is upset at the mention of bullying elsewhere, but that is a topic for another thread. This thread is about VAW and most recently, about the bullying that she has been subject to as part of Sinn Fein. You are only interested in what happens women elsewhere in order to distract from what Sinn Fein have done. You have zero interest in the welfare of women bullied by Sinn Fein and your interest in women elsewhere is feigned interest for whataboutery and distraction.

If you were really interested in the bullying of women in FF and FG, you would set up threads about that. If you were really interested in protecting women, you would condemn the pattern of bullying of women clearly evident in Sinn Fein. You don't do either, just using women for political reasons.

blanch152 · 09-03-2022 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755781#Comment_118755781

That is what apologists for misogyny have said for years. Oh, it is only a few bad apples, there is nothing systematic or systemic about the issue. It is a lazy tired excuse by those who don't want to face up to the reality of bullying and misogyny.

There is clearly a systemic problem with bullying in Sinn Fein. The evidence is there. Only those who would excuse it deny that.

Abuse happens because the culture of the organisation allows it, because the culture of the organisation is secretive, because the culture of the organisation protects wrongdoers, because the culture of the organisation is inward-looking. The conditions for abuse, bullying and misogyny are there in Sinn Fein and it needs to address them. Pretending that they are just like the others is just pathetic excuse-making.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756148#Comment_118756148

No blanch, in response to somebody trying to say that this is 'just' a problem for SF I introduced the victims you readily forget about when opening your threads. Only those who want to focus on 'just' one party seem to have a problem with that.

Ash.J.Williams · 09-03-2022 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118719727#Comment_118719727

From I have seen from my varied work experience, workplace practices relating to “banter” are only enforced and proper regular training provided in multinationals and medium to big companies. “Banter “ still exists in smaller Irish companies and only becomes an issue after a letter to the company from a solicitor :)

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 11:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756182#Comment_118756182

What 'evidence' is there in this case?

The evidence such that it exists is open to interpretation and there have been as many here who have seen it as an unfortunate misunderstanding on behalf of VAW as to the job as have seen it as 'bullying' and certainly you seem to stand alone as seeing it as misogyny. Something you are quick to do all the time when it comes to your boogeymen and women. Believe an allegation.

blanch152 · 09-03-2022 11:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756190#Comment_118756190

You are correct on this and it is clear from this thread that there is a massive educational campaign needed to increase awareness of the harmful nature of these types of comments. There are posters on this thread who have claimed the remarks can be construed as "harmless banter" which is something that came as a complete shock to me as I had been working with companies who had a much more enlightened approach and would not tolerate such remarks. Of course I would be aware that such comments would continue to happen, but being waved away in 2022 as harmless banter was shocking.

As I have said in other posts, there is a clear problem within Sinn Fein, and as a political party, they should show leadership on this. A programme of training for their leadership, HQ staff and parliamentary party to be rolled out generally to party members should be the first thing they announce.

blanch152 · 09-03-2022 11:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756187#Comment_118756187

So self-confessed whataboutery?

mikethecop · 09-03-2022 11:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755745#Comment_118755745

did you not previously say many times that you were a recent sf voter ? much to the disbelief of most posters .

never said they were the only ones , stop lying

they have a huge problem though , read back the thread where i posted many links for the benefit of you and bruice

duck dodge dive and deflect as per

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 11:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756269#Comment_118756269

No blanch, entirely relevant correcting of the record. You hate to see that happen. But there you go.

blanch152 · 09-03-2022 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756275#Comment_118756275

If you are intending to highlight the high number of cases in Sinn Fein versus the much lower incidence elsewhere, then it was a point well made and I understand its relevance. However, I suspect it was just muddy the waters and whataboutery.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 12:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756286#Comment_118756286

How many cases is that blanch? Even the ones that don't fly as bullying?

Again, you don't bully because of the party you are in, you bully because you are a bully. Far as I can see there are no more in SF as they are in other parties.

For every case in SF I can find you one in another party.

It's a problem endemic in society. Your devaluing of it with your ridiculous jump to the extreme EVERY SINGLE TIME is doing nobody and nothing but your own paranoia any good.

FrancieBrady · 09-03-2022 12:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756273#Comment_118756273

First time voter for SF in a GE 2020.

Not a single utterance from me back to 2011 on here states otherwise, much as a few like to lie about it.

How is this 'problem' manifesting itself for a party 10% ahead in the polls exactly?

Ash.J.Williams · 09-03-2022 12:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756263#Comment_118756263

Sorry for the language but I call it “thick cnt” syndrome, anyone I know that works with a bunch of “thick cnts” are surrounded by “harmless “ banter all day everyday to the point it becomes normal

mikethecop · 09-03-2022 12:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118756452#Comment_118756452

Sinn Féin loses 13 public representatives over bullying claims (irishtimes.com)

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The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne

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