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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Interestingly, there was an article recently questioning the morale of the Chinese military force. Most of the front-line fighting folk are, under the one-child-policy, the last of their bloodline, and there is great reluctance to see the line of their ancestors stop because they made a valiant charge or whatever. However, that doesn't apply quite so much on ships, which is where the Chinese are now focusing. Historically the Chinese have been worried more about land warfare than sea, with the threat from Russia and India in particular forming most of the attention. However, with Russia already less of a threat, and now after this Ukraine incident decidedly even less so, the Chinese defense budget has been focusing much more on the maritime, much to the discomfort of other PacRim countries like Japan, Taiwan and Philippines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    The US has refused to permit the provision of Mi29 fighter jets to Ukraine by Poland. They state that there is a ceasefire and that it would compromise NATO’s stance.

    It is very disappointing that they are not allowed to help Ukraine…




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Have you changed your opinion of Pooh-tin yet…..?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Would you describe Putin as a Nazi? I'm assuming you're an authority on the subject given the confidence you displayed with your off the cuff condescension above.

    Putin is a product of the Soviet Union and employs as many of the the tactics that made that regime so horrific to live in as he can.

    Putin wants the trappings of wealth that capitalism brings but also wants the authoritarianism that he helped to enforce during the soviet era.

    He has literal ties to the Soviet era, if he were to be described as either fascist or communist it stands to reason that the latter is a more logical label to apply to the man even if he is now a modified version of the same.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As well as the downgrade by Fitch and other rating agencies who are indicating a default is on the way for Russia, insurers are now virtually certain of a default and are pricing that in.

    The cost of insuring Russia’s government debt rose to a record high after President Vladimir Putin signed a decree allowing it to repay foreign creditors in rubles, raising concerns about the prospects of a default across the country’s $33 billion of dollar bonds.

    There are bonds due for repayment on Mar 16th which can not be paid in Roubels. If the Russian govt follow the recent decree by Putin and try to repay it in Roubels, it will likely trigger a default at which point all bets are off for Russian debt/bonds.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    In fairness the US is providing huge assistance to Ukraine, with weapons, ammunition and recon, satellite movements on Russian troops movements. But this one is a difficult one and could have huge implications, so it never to be properly thought through.

    On the other hand, Putins offer has some substance I reckon. Give Crimea and the two regions to Russia, all other Russian troops stay behind that line. Ukraine not to apply to NATO, but if any Russian troops cross the border again, that promise will be of the table. Reduce army strength to Max 200,000 with 100,00 reservists. Russia must pay reparations for damage, and recognize Ukraine right to exist as a sovereign state.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Sure some on here said there was no invasion.

    Day 14 of invasion- Ukraine still controls the majority of the country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭wandererz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Jesus Christ. I've just seen the footage of the little boy crying as he enters Poland. I've a boy the same age and that footage has really shocked me. You know, and this goes against what I've been saying all along, )that we must play the long game), Nato should attack both forces in Ukraine and installations in Russia. It must be done now. This is the only opportunity that NATO will ever have to cut Russia down and back. Yes, the threat of Nukes is real, but that risk must be taken. Otherwise we are the cowardly bully with the big stick.

    Ask any Ukranian should the West intervene and the answer will always be YES.

    All NATO's forces are in place for an all-out conventional strike across the Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. India should be TOLD to cooperate with NATO by the West

    I'm sure that India needs plenty of our expertise and resources. Threaten to cut them off or come on board. Both India and Turkey, two massive armies, would help create more fronts for Russia to worry about.

    Take the risk. We now know where all Putin's assets are, subs included. Have a night of the long Knives and surgically cut Russia's head off. That would be the end of it.

    I can understand now why someone would want to pick up a rifle and fight. I bloody well would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,354 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Anyone with even ten percent brain power would be absolutely mad to sign up to that.

    The Russians would be back in the blink of an eye and you've less means to defend yourself.

    The utter naivety of some people given all of the facts of the last eight years rarely ceases to amaze me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    The UK normally has no issue getting involved in the war part but generally does feck all when it comes to the humanitarian part as that would inconvenience them at home. Just look at the invasion of Iraq looking for non-existent WMD, destabilised the entire region, leading to ISIS ans the refugee crisis. Apparently Europe was to blame for the refugee crisis though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    I have no doubt that boy believes in the righteousness of his country's peacekeeping operation, but it's a worrying sign that the Kremlin are winning the hearts and minds of the people in the street, sanctions be damned. There are still reports of anti-war protests coming in, but the numbers involved seem to be dwindling. Has the entire foreign press core been kicked out of Russia at this stage ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Field east


    Yes, that goes with the condition he apparently has- From what I understand it is another sign of a COMPLETE lack of empathy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    "Yes, the threat of Nukes is real, but that risk must be taken. Otherwise we are the cowardly bully with the big stick"

    We (the West) are the cowardly bully if we do nothing? Seriously? If the West is the cowardly bully in such a case what does that make Putin?

    Indeed the risk of Nukes in such a scenario is a very real risk, so real that you need to thread very carefully or you risk far greater consequences than you may realise, the video posted by @liamtech is worth watching before any state jumps the gun, self preservation needs to be massively considered hand in hand with the notion of defence of other nations:-

    "India should be TOLD to cooperate with NATO by the West"

    History shows us that sovereign states don't like being told what to do, doing so often creates the opposite to the result you want to achieve, do we really want to become the bully boy, is that not exactly what Russia has done with Ukraine?

    "Have a night of the long Knives and surgically cut Russia's head off. That would be the end of it"

    If only it was that simple...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    I think this war could be over very quickly if Beijing picked up the phone and called a halt to it: they most likely knew the invasion was going ahead, and I'd imagine, the dialogue now would be, "You had your chance and you blew it". I dunno what's more beneficial to Beijing: a pariah-Russia at their beck and call, or a return to the status quo, but I get a sense that they know they've backed the wrong horse...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    The Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank on this. The ONLY thing that would cause them to call a halt in the Kremlin would be nuclear risk escalaltion.

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    China is the one to watch, they have an EU summit coming up soon and would be eager to resolve the issues surrounding Lithuania, the Uyghurs, the anti-coercion instrument, the Comprehensive Agreement on Investment and the various sanctions between the two. That asides China seems to be very vocal against the US over bio labs now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭rogber


    People won't stop buying from China, most people only care about themselves and their pocket. It's cheap = it's good, worry about the consequences another day.

    See climate change for more evidence of this short-term thinking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Info on Ukrainian refugees will be shared with UK: Ryan 

     http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0308/1285069-ukrainian-refugees/


    So it seems not only is the UK unwilling to take in any Ukrainian refugees, they are now concerned about the fact that we are taking in so many, they have expressed security concerns due to the CTA.

    I mean I know many here have praised the UK in its response to sending military equipment, and so it should be.

    But that was a relatively easy decision for them to take. But they have painted themselves into such an anti immigration position with brexit that they now seem more concerned with that than trying to help with the impending humanitarian disaster coming from Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Russia is a large market for Chinese consumer goods. I don’t think it greatly benefits them if Russians don’t have money to spend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,610 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    How will Putin ever recover from junking his countries economy:

     

    Ratings agency Fitch downgraded Russia’s sovereign debt rating farther into junk territory from “B” to “C,” saying the decision reflects the view that a default is “imminent.”

    The agency said “the further ratcheting up of sanctions, and proposals that could limit trade in energy, increase the probability of a policy response by Russia that includes at least selective non-payment of its sovereign debt obligations.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Presumably these "bio-research facilities" are in the basement of a pizza restaurant? Posobiec is a troll/fuckwit and can safely be ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,719 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    They know many of their supporters are rabid xenophobes who voted for Brexit to get rid of all the foreigners. They can't be seen to be letting them in easily. The tories are walking a really fine line between keeping Russian money happy in London, keeping the public happy who want to help Ukraine and keeping their core public support happy who want all the foreigners to stay out of the UK unless they're doing something they can't do for themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Why? Those regions are gone, even the most optimistic person can see that.

    300,000 troops is not far off what they had when this started.

    And you get Putin to recognize a country he wouldn't do only 3 weeks ago.

    This has to end before it gets any worse.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Field east


    The cross party foreign affairs committee have no problem in ‘ordering to appear before it for example any TD , senior official, gov minister for even minor ‘slip ups, so why has it not encores the Russian ambasator to appear before it . There are plenty of preciseness internationally where this happens - . I wonder if this could be a coordinated practice internationally?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Thanks. I felt it was a fantastic explanation on why escalation is to be avoided, and why NATO/TheWest is actively avoiding such. Lots of hearts in the right places here, but also lots of 'accusation of appeasement' - which is wrong. it can seem all to easy to accuse someone of being a keyboard coward.. which is ridiculous. There seems to be a great number of Keyboard Von Clausewitz type talk. Without full understanding of what that could lead to.

    So yes, the video seemed apt.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    Again..... UK and the US can intervene directly as is stated in the Budapest memorandum .. They don't need the NATO umbrella to do this. I'm open to correction though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    Thing that amazes me is how someone could find the Russian embassy, drive to it, break down the gate, and still somehow confuse the Russians with the Poles?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    There is no recovery from this for Putin. He may end up dying from old age in some palace type thing in Moscow and thinking that he's done great, but he's never getting back into having any place at the international heads of state meetings. Meanwhile, even if he closes his eyes and blocks his ears so as not to notice, Russia will be heading back 30+ years in time around him.


    Best option for Russia is a coup and then the new person can try to get Russia back into the international stage, but that is going to take decades, and a coup is currently unlikely.



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