Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Saw that, reports of Chechen forces spearheading an assault through Irpin now in a last desperate assault on Kyiv, already repulsed. no surprise seeing they seem to be more interested in posting videos in non combat areas.

Why are these generals so close to the front line. Is it because the ground operation is going so bad and Putin sent them there to sort it out. He is the second general to die this week.

Edit: I remember him now from the Chechen war. He was also at the recent meeting with Putin.

THIS is effectively the position the world is at, at present...

None of us on here have either the knowledge or insight as to what Putin's thought processes are at present, or exactly the lengths he will or wont go to realise his ambitions - however bizarre they may be. Chucking verbal shite back and forth to each other on here as to what he will or wont do achieves absolutely zilch, and is a complete waste of your time.

He's a very, very dangerous man, hellbent it would seem - in his mind - on resurrecting former USSR glories... whilst using the excuse of "cleansing" Ukraine of "Nazi's", etc. This is a man as close to a clone of Hitler as we will ever see in our lifetime, and Hitler's atrocities caused the deaths of millions. The hellish horrors of the concentration camps are a lesson to all of humanity. And the lesson is that if you give a tyrant, despot, dictator, mad dog, lunatic, and whatever other words you may use to describe them, enough length on the lead - they will savage people.

A week ago I was of the view - like most on here - that we cant call his bluff and intervene because of the nuclear threat to humanity. But the more I see of a whole country being systematically killed and displaced, the more I realise that mankind's basic morals and decency has deserted them.

With the amount of nuclear weapons in the world at this present time, many countries making or seeking to make even deadlier improvements on them, and crazy experiments like the Hadron Collider which could also end most of life on Earth, it makes you stop and think about how this tiny, miniscule dot in space can survive for future generations to come.

The nuclear threat will always be there. It will never go away. So you have to make a stand for all that's good and for all that's decent in life. I now say spit in the face of the devil and confront him, or we've none of us any place in a world where we let pure evil go unchecked.

Yeah, I'd heard that it's because the generals are personally going to the front in order to give lesser commanders a few choice words and then getting shot by snipers.

Now, where's my tiny violin?

the irony 😁

Defeatist attitude?

Saying something is better than a nuclear war is defeatist?

And people are thanking this nonsense?

You clearly have absolutely no understanding of what would happen in nuclear war.

World War 3 will take approximately 20 hours to play out from beginning to end. Hundreds of millions of people will die in that time, they will be the lucky ones because they won't have to die slowly from radiation poisoning and then the extreme cold of nuclear winter added to the fact that no crops will exist for the tiny few people left who will all be dead within ten months.

But in your expert opinion nuclear war won't be a big deal in could be "contained very quickly by the military response from the west."

Unsurprisingly you offer no insight into how this containment would be implemented. Most likely because you have zero insight.

What is your suggestion? That the west put boots on the ground in Ukraine? A no fly zone? Both most likely result in nuclear war.

Humor me and just take me on my word when I say that the armageddon scenario is the only scenario that would play out in that situation and consider the implications not just for you and your poorly thought out action movie-esque Gung no nonsensical opinion but the consequences for every man woman and child on the planet before you begin planning your own career in international relations.

I don't mind people having differing opinions but being spoken down to by someone who clearly has absolutely no understanding of what they're pontificating about whilst condescending to me in the same breath isn't something I'm OK with.

Go and do some damn research before you get up on your high horse again.

Sukhovetsky was apparently shot from 1.5km away by a sniper, he had gone to the front of that massive convoy north of Kiev and it was reported that he drew the sniper's attention because he was waving his arms about giving the lead group hell.

The problem, is that its a gamble. And it seems one that the west is not willing to take. And i doubt that will change.

Listen im watching

• Families fleeing houses
• Children being orphaned
• Cities being burned and shelled
• Civilian infrastructure being destroyed

Its disgusting. Morally, in my heart. I want to see the whole world say enough. And take action. I would love nothing better than to see Russia driven from Ukraine, and crippled, to the point where Vladimir Putin is dragged from the Kremlin and shot in Red Square. Or put on trial in the Hague.

But I studied international relations (anyone doubts this i can prove it). I studied the cold war. I studied M.A.D. and Deterrence Theory. And I have to ask the question, what if? I dont think anyone truly realizes any more what it COULD MEAN for a shooting war to erupt between Russia and the West. And you do have to answer the question, and then take responsibility for the fallout (metaphorically and literally).

Im happy to debate this in good faith with anyone who wants to - and i am a sane person, and I HOPE, its clear who's side im on.

The Chinese are not important in this scenario.

Russia has over 7000 nuclear warheads, America has over 6,800, once any exchange begins between these two countries the entire world will be both caught in the crossfire and subject to the immense nuclear fallout.

It isn't just Russia v America, it's Nato as a whole and European cities will be targeted first leading to tit for tat launches between Russia and European Nato member states running concurrently with ICBM strikes between Russia and America.

There are simulations of this scenario readily available online. It isn't speculation, this situation has been forecast for decades down to the smallest detail.

This is why nobody has interfered in Ukraine, the Russian troops in Ukraine would be crushed by Nato, but the retaliation for it would be cataclysmic.

That's fine until the nuclear launches begin.

People seem to have a real problem understanding just how devastating that scenario is. It's mind boggling.

Entertain us with your solution to the invasion please?

DAY 13

Come on Ukraine!

Less hysteria all round would be good

But are you're saying there if Putin doesn't get his way, he'll launch all his available nukes? Ergo we must give him what he wants?

Nuclear war might be unavoidable.

Russia, a nuclear power with what is believed to be around 35-40 ICBM launch sites in Russia, plus subs have invaded the Ukraine, a sovereign country of… 41.3 million people…603,548 km squared landmass of country. For example….The entire UK has a landmass of 242,495 km squared. The Ukraine is about 150% bigger then the mainland UK and Russia is giving it a go….struggling but…