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Dohnjoe · 07-03-2022 06:45PM

Reinforcements arriving (estimates up to 20,000 foreign fighters joining)

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1500888400068554758

Wibbs · 07-03-2022 06:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747132#Comment_118747132

Motivated by ideology? You have to be joking. The Chinese and the Russian leadership are motivated by power(and money). The dyed in the wool ideologues were sidetracked, bumped off, or sent to gulags long ago. It gets in the way of making bank and holding onto power. The Chinese went from a 'communist' state ruled by a powerful and corrupt leadership to a 'capitalist' state ruled by a powerful and corrupt leadership in a generation. Russia went from a communist state via a mafia asset grab to a capitalist state(for the chosen) in a similar time period.

And nations and armies are not one man, unless in momentary victory and propaganda posters. Never have been, certainly not after contact with the enemy and things go badly on the ground. Even when cult of personality types like Hitler ordered a scorched earth policy when the end was near his forces didn't go along with him. Neither did the Japanese when they surrendered.

Putin is in power, but needs close support all the way down to the tip of the spear. The ordinary men and women beyond the Kremlin walls don't really figure in this. Until they do. Every day he's held back, his country falls ever further down the greasy pole economically and militarily he's more in trouble and his close support knows this.

What will happen? Fúck knows, but we're already getting sniffs of it with Russia's 'demands'. And like haggling for a bargain you don't go for the first offer because both sides know it's not the last and certainly not the final. So I see more talks going on, some concessions that look meagre, but that's Russia blinking. They're not going to get the bargain they wanted, neither are the Ukrainians, but there will be a sale nonetheless. Putin can go back home saving some face, but he's then faced with rebuilding Russia in the eyes of the world. IMHO that won't, can't happen until he's gone, retired or in a pine box with goose steppers beside it.

Or someone could go nuts tomorrow and launch a nuclear attack, but I seriously doubt it. And if one did go bang, I seriously doubt it would escalate. Every man Jack knows that's human extinction.

Dohnjoe · 07-03-2022 06:46PM

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500904996405190656

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2022 06:46PM

The west is starting to realize through this war ...a lot of Russia's military budget got ahem pocketed by putin and his cronies.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2022 06:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747241#Comment_118747241

I don't think they are dying to protect freedom ..i think they are dying to protect their children ..i don't think putin is going to come in and just hold ukraine ...he wants to commit genocide

RGARDINR · 07-03-2022 06:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747246#Comment_118747246

I say a lot will have combat and military training. Will be massive help to Ukraine.

07-03-2022 06:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747241#Comment_118747241

Then put your money where your mouth is and get thee to Ukraine. I’m serious. What’s stopping you from getting a plane to Poland and crossing the border to join the Ukrainians? You absolute lunatic.

Bayonet · 07-03-2022 06:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747232#Comment_118747232

They want to install a prime minister 'alongside' Zelensky. Obviously we know where that will lead.

Donald Trump · 07-03-2022 06:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747266#Comment_118747266

Probably a few Walter Mitty paintball enthusiasts there as well.

Fair balls to them all though! I hope they survive ok.

(Not that I'd be any better ... what with the oul' bone spurs and all)

Wibbs · 07-03-2022 06:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747258#Comment_118747258

And it seems putin didn't realise the degree of it.

is_that_so · 07-03-2022 06:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747258#Comment_118747258

It's worse than that, quite a bit seems to have been pocketed at the very bottom so the rot is all the way up.

07-03-2022 06:52PM

One thing after another:

https://www.reuters.com/business/china-ensure-agricultural-product-supplies-including-grains-2022-03-05/

BEIJING, March 5 (Reuters) - The condition of China's winter wheat crop could be the "worst in history", the agriculture minister said on Saturday, raising concerns about grain supplies in the world's biggest wheat consumer.

@completedit It is the end of the world as we knew it. But that world ended sometime during Covid, long before this conflict, and it was not coming back.

fly_agaric · 07-03-2022 06:53PM

@[Deleted User] they (Russia/China) are both deeply "ideological" in my view and to me that is exposed more clearly as time passes and they've both grown in strength + gotten confidence to pursue goals more openly. They know what they don't like.

Democracy is a threat to them, even fairly peaceful unthreatening (on the face of it) entities like the EU just existing and going about their business in the way that they do is a challenge and an affront to both Russia and China.

Looks like "we" have to be constantly f-cked with every which way they can think of short of war (or now maybe incl. war for Putin of course, who knows). Ah well maybe we just deserve such for being too "ideological" or "supremicist" ourselves or whatever.

Crocodile Booze · 07-03-2022 06:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747274#Comment_118747274

Indeed, and the strongest chance of nuclear escalation is if enough powerful proud senior men prefer to die by radiation sickness than embarrassment.

Fiery mutant · 07-03-2022 06:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747216#Comment_118747216

To be honest, yes. We teach our kids to grow up and stand up to bullies, to not be afraid. That to stand up for what is 'right' is the right thing to do, that if we let the bullies win, then we will always key them win.

And now as grown ups, when looking at a bully, we cower and appease and let the bully win.

Just for context, for the moment I think sanctions are the way to go. But I think sooner or later, western military will get involved here.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2022 06:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747274#Comment_118747274

Impossible. Everything in Russia is centralized through Putin. That is how he keeps control.They judiciary is dependent on him even the police..that is how dictatorships work. You can't say you didn't realize ...because in the end you were the linchpin.

Also putin surrounds himself with weak yes men who would never tell him the truth ...also he purposely surrounds himself with idiots also for the same purpose. They stupid and sheepish. Apparently they have lost contact with many of the battalions in ukraine but some think its because the soldiers would be saying things they don't want to hear.Many are just 17 conscripts etc. Also the russians don't know the topography of ukraine like Ukrainians do. Its the thawing season. Putin way underestimated the ukrainians their resolve and how much supplies from other countries they would have.

I think putin also underestimated how much proteccion oligarchs gave him and how much would be taken away if their ability through their assets and how their assets influenced the west would be.

Maybe he really thought he had a kick ass army. But then that goes to show he never really took a close look at it.

Wibbs · 07-03-2022 06:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747185#Comment_118747185

A no fly zone is a great thing to wish for, a disaster in practice and would play right into putin's hands by showing the 'imminent threat of the West'. He's already tried this with bull about WMD in Ukraine, possible nuclear bomb research, possible bioweapon research, backed by the US of course. His subjects will lap that up and not question why the Americans would be so daft as to trust that sorta thing to a corrupt nation with a civil war going on and among many deep ties to Russia that it shares its border with? No sane government/military/intelligence operation would sanction that. It lacks plausible deniability, practicality and gives zero advantage.

It's the "Saddam has WMD!" playbook used by the Yanks. It was bull then to wind up support and it's bull now. A no fly zone would be reality. He would be pulling the skeleton outa himself if it were to come to pass. Indeed I'd even bet he hoped it would. Not to start WW3 but to keep the oul "the west is out to get us" narrative that his subjects would lap up while he waged the ground war he was sure would be over in a week or so.

BoatMad · 07-03-2022 06:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747262#Comment_118747262

Genocide , no i think so , what's happening is his military cannot deliver the success he wants , and are now bogged down in a nasty day to day grunt for territory and to demoralise the civilian population The thing is every non ,military target you expend effort shelling you allow the Ukrainian military arm and fight back , You dont win by bombing buildings

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2022 06:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747278#Comment_118747278

What have you seen? I saw Russian soldiers looting but they are paid like 4 euros a week and starving.

Also i mean a lot of that is the ruble tanking.

07-03-2022 06:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747249#Comment_118747249

Motivated by ideology? You have to be joking. The Chinese and the Russian leadership are motivated by power(and money).

I don't think that makes any sense at all. To take the case of Russia right now, if Putin was motivated by power and money, he would not have done this. He and his friends have lost vast amounts of money in this 'venture', and jeopardized his own power. He is clearly motivated by historical nationalism and the geopolitical import of Ukraine to Russia's physical integrity. These are his pre-eminent concerns and he has been clearly signaling as much for the past 10 years.

Yurt2 · 07-03-2022 06:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747288#Comment_118747288

Putin doesn't have an ideological bone in his body. He's the head of a criminal organisation that seized the Russian state and refused to let go. It's hidden behind front men and front companies, but Putin is one of the world's richest men. If mass theft is an ideology, then an ideolouge he is. But I don't rate extreme avarice as an ideology.

China is a whole other story that requires a different thread.

sligeach · 07-03-2022 07:00PM

Man arrested as truck driven into Russian embassy gates

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0307/1284925-embassy/

It's the statement from the Russian embassy that's a total farce.

In a statement, the Russian embassy condemned what it described as "a criminal act of insanity directed against a peaceful diplomatic mission".

It said the incident "took place in the presence of Garda officers who stood idle", adding that that it viewed the incident as "a clear and blatant violation of Article 22 of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic relations of 1961".

The embassy is demanding that Irish authorities "take comprehensive measures" to ensure the safety of embassy staff, and says it is in contact with the Department of Foreign Affairs here.

"The incident is cause of extreme concern. We believe that no people of sound mind could support such senseless and barbaric actions," it added.

Gardaí have said they do not comment on statements or remarks by third parties.

Last week, Russian ambassador to Ireland Yury Filatov alleged that death threats had been made against embassy staff at their home addresses.

In an interview on Russian television, Mr Filatov said that protests outside of the Dublin embassy had become violent and that staff had made reports to gardaí.

The ambassador described Ireland as being at the forefront of anti-Russian measures in Europe.

He also claimed that Russian children are being bullied in Irish schools.

Mr Filatov said: "At present, we're dealing with an extremely tense situation in the embassy. Our employees are constantly receiving death threats at their home addresses, by email and by telephone."

He said that protests outside the embassy are "very aggressive".

The neck of them to talk about "clear and blatant violations", given the actions and crimes of their Russian government in Ukraine. And if they call knocking down a gate as "barbaric" then there's no words to describe the destruction of Ukraine and the killing of its innocent civilians.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2022 07:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747305#Comment_118747305

Why put landmines in what is supposed to be a humanitarian evacuation corridor?

ILoveYourVibes · 07-03-2022 07:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747304#Comment_118747304

Its a 'humanitarian air exercise'. 🙃

Kermit.de.frog · 07-03-2022 07:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747232#Comment_118747232

It's doable in the sense it's surrender and the end of Ukraine as a sovereign state effectively. It's also ends up permanently disfigured and partitioned.

You might say that's inevitable but i'd hope they could hold out a little longer and get something that's less of a surrender if that's possible.