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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I don't think there's any evidence of the Russian population cracking.

    You have to realise that the people there will have a completely different perspective of the war. Just today I was talking to a Russian friend who is completely convinced that it's Russia who have been wronged in all this. Their state TV is saying that Ukraine is using civilians as human shields while they try to evacuate, that they've blown bridges to prevent refugees from escaping, that Nazi's are in charge in Mariupol, etc. This is the Russian narrative and as far as I can tell it's what most people there believe.

    I wish I was wrong, but I think Putin has enough political capital behind him to defeat Ukraine. I don't think it'll be easy, nor quick, but Putin is in far too deep to not finish the job at this point. To lose in Ukraine would be far worse for him politically than it would be for him to win but take heavy casualties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    its all about his legacy and his ego, he doesn't want to leave the world without leaving his mark whether it be good or bad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Putins eldest daughter is a pediatrician. Is there such a thing as black irony?



  • Posts: 192 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s the scary bit and Russia doesn’t seem to have the political or structural ability to stop him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭threeball


    That's a better map and it really shows the Russians have control of very little bar roads. Either side of those roads they would be ripe for the picking by guerilla units. And that will only get worse the deeper into Ukraine they get. It'll be heaven for snipers, rpgs and javelins. It'll be impossible to police.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The Polish Mig-29 and SU-25 fighter deal is back on and has been approved by the US. Great news!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭combat14




    Interesting history of russia and ukraine for anyone who wants historical background

    looks like russia has been sending in "peacekeepers" to its neighbours for centuries .. this land grab is unfortunately nothing new in its lengthy history...

    russia didnt become the largest country on earth by befriending all its neighbours and constantly losing wars ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭storker


    "The moral is to the physical as three is to one."

    - Napoleon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I'd keep paying attention to the streets of Russia if I were you. And when I say the Russian state, I mean the will of the layer of people below Putin.

    Putin may have cracked up, but not everyone in the Kremlin has lost their mind I'm sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭threeball




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Maybe Netflix pulling out will be the catalyst for that 😐️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭threeball




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭Botrys



    Not going to happen

    Europeans don’t want to get into this rabbit hole

    and Blinken was acting ‘smart’ giving a green light when nobody showed any willingness to send jets.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    So far the reports from Russia seem to be to the tune of "I went to the supermarket, and wanted to buy my favourite brand of cheese, but they didn't have it and that made me sad". Feels like it's going to take a bit longer for anyone to crack. And the state's control of information is tightening, with media sites and social media being shut down so the disinformation campaign is likely to work for a while longer at least.

    It feels like we get an overly optimistic view on the effects of the sanctions, because any effect will be reported - since it's evidence of the west actually doing something - but how effective they really are? I don't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭jkforde


    I gloomily believe that RasPutin is mad enough to sanction a nuke strike to rattle nato, and with this Mig deal.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I believe it's 28 mig-29s from Poland. The original talk was of 70 if other countries like Romania also got in on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,527 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭combat14


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    Zelensky's powerful address tonight



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Won't the Russians have even more air defenses set up inside and around Ukraine by now? Will the Ukrainians really be able to do much with those planes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    So according to you, 44 million people living in a Country covering more that 600'000 sq miles, will be subjugated by a Russian army of 200'000??? When even at the moment the plan is way behind schedule, their logistics is failing badly. And nothing like the rosy picture you are painting. Anything that the Russians are losing or running out of is fast becoming more difficult to replace. With the sanctions in place, and many replacement parts manufactured outside Russia are becoming next to impossible to repair /replace. On the other hand, Ukraine have one of the best supply pipelines imaginable, and its improving daily as more suppliers come onstream. The Russian soldiers are getting more demoralized daily, and when it comes to replacing them, you really are joking, do you mean the 18 year old conscript's???. As for a top class army, when the best they do is carry out murderous long distance shelling of defenseless people, men women and children...even Baby's in cities? They are murderous scum. I met several Russian survivors of the Great War, and to a man, they were proud and very proud of their achievements. When the time comes to write this part of the history of Russia, you will not find many soldier's parading around showing off their service medals. So now, it just like Japan after Pearl Harbor, when Yamamoto was asked how the war was going, he replied "for 6 mths or a year maybe, we will invade with impunity, every where we wish, and when we wish, we will plant the flag of Japan. But after that,,,,,I cannot say. And we all know how that ended. Slava Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    What military person should consider is these vehicles are soviet build., One has to assume old tanks be rusting away in warehouses somewhere, looked over by mechanics, limited way, and got rolled out for this war. Think the Russian leaders wouldn’t pay attention too much, got destroyed as long as the tank cleaned out a defensive position and helped the advance of men on the ground. It's not like the Russian are operating t-14 Armata tanks here. There are probably many breakdowns of the tanks in rough terrain, explain why some of them are deserted by the crew. . It sounds great on paper Russia losing armor but it really is obsolete gear. There’s no real disaster to the Russian military as the tech old.

    Helicopters and aircraft blew up problematic when pilots die. They’re trained to fly. That very demoralizing when aircraft get taken down places a bit of fear in the belly for them. Russia not using its air force much for a bombing raid. There using artillery and cruise missiles and other missiles to win.

    How many troops they lost is truly unknown. I suspect thousands if they do urban warfare. WW2-style battles here, a western army would take damage in Ukraine.

    Convoy on its way to Kyiv may have slowed for strategic reasons. There’re undertaking to encircle the city they really do have to wait for other forces to join and move in from all sides. They have to hold Kharkiv and Mariupol to link up the south and east take for a run through Poltava and then on Kyiv.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I wouldn't put money on it being higher in 7 days than it is today. It is for another thread but I think the temporary lift from Russian linked money has gone in already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Large amounts of Russian oligarchs' western assets seized (not enough for my liking, but it's a start), credit rating in the toilet and about to be flushed, losing access to a lot of brands and financial services.... somebody posted a comprehensive list a few days ago that was quite exhaustive and we're only about a week and a half into this thing. I'm not expecting that the little babushka living out in one of the federal subjects, carrying a pail of water back to her duma will notice too much different in the world, but there are a lot of people living in Russia's western cities who'd grown used to a half decent standard of living. They could well be asking WTF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It depends on how much institutions are owed and if they can afford to lose that money because from the look of it they won't be getting paid. No doubt some institutions will be up **** creek and maybe need bail outs or go bust.

    This explains it a bit more


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,098 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'll give two cents on this FWIW

    People calling for no-fly zones and fighter jets to be supplied and all that need to understand once that happens, from that moment on, every time you go to bed at night in the back of your mind will be "is this the night I get an alert on my phone of the use of a nuclear weapon somewhere?" - and when that happens you'll know terror like you've never known it before.

    So I don't get this attitude, this bravado. It's almost at ridiculous proportions now - a whole section of people don't seem to get it and I don't know why.

    This is dangerous.

    I get the emotion and the anger but no-one would be considering this back at the height of the Cold War because they'd understand the consequences fully.

    There is nothing more the west can do except what we are doing in terms of sanctions, lethal and non-lethal aid to Ukraine unless our own populations are willing to live their lives terrorised in a way no one has been scared since the height of the Cuban missile crisis.

    Are they all prepared to do that? I don't think so.

    There is a kind of carelessness and fecklessness in the discourse about this right now I really don't understand and it's worrying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You do know it's March not February?

    Whoops, my bad I forgot the Iron Curtain has been drawn shat again and you lot are likely a bit cut off and behind the times and out of touch, just like the good old days:

    >US gives Poland the 'green light' to give Ukraine MIG fighter jets as Russia warns it is at WAR with ANY country hosting Kyiv's aircraft and points finger at Romania as top American general inspects troops in Europe... Updated: 21:46, 6 March 2022"<

    Out here It's now March 6th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    i don’t like that Brave is in that headline about putin… he is garbage and a coward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I have no idea what she looks like. I can only tell you that however she looks, she's not as hot as Ivanka



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




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