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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    Yeah, ultimately I'd imagine that is sadly what decides it. The losses will be staggering though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭Ken Tucky




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    That reads like a Russia threatening to shoot down passenger planes and blame terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,391 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I think they have imposed the fewest sanctions among the west. Last chart I remember seeing was like a dozen individuals vs the EU with 400+.

    Not to take away from the all the intelligence and arms they have been supplying Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    I keep getting hopeful that the Ukrainians will force the Russians back or something but it is just magical thinking I guess. They just aren't well enough armed to fight off so many Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Well sure that's, literally, "whataboutery", because something like that goes no further. But attempting to understand how we are where we are and why it has gotten to this point, coupled with the acknowledgement of precedent that has come before the present events is not.

    I would draw the line at people using the "whataboutery" card to simply dismiss uncomfortable facts however.

    Anyway, it doesn't really appear that we have much of a disagreement here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    That's it,

    And think of this actually one man can carry 3 Javelins at a time ,3 men can single handledly take out 9 tanks in a few minutes and leave the area fairly quickly ,

    Seen another post on Twitter showing a Ukrainian voleenteer collecting a night vision scope while others were collecting thermal imaging scopes so the Ukrainians have the ability to fight day or night and and still hold an advantage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    If they have any of that intelligence left over, can they give it to their own politicians?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,358 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    From the scrap yard?

    Theres no evidence of russian having sufficient stores of operational equipment.

    In fact they are shipping ancient stuff from the east coast across Russia by rail.


    Theres a pervasive narrative that Russia has hundreds of thousands of everything because Russia is so big. The reality is they don't. Small numbers of operational gear. Very underfunded and extremely underfunded maintenance and back up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,391 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Sure people are still waiting for the Russian Report from the UK!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Well kinda J. Unless we're talking about neutron bombs which are pretty much designed to render an area uninhabitable while leaving much of the surrounding area intact(yeah, some fcukwits came up with that, for no good reason save for fcukwittery) nuclear bombs aren't as 'bad' as something like Chernobyl going rogue. Yes you have major initial spikes in radiation, but it dies off pretty quickly, because the reaction itself 'burns' off most of the radioactive material. Before the ban on atmospheric testing we were setting them off on the regular. Reactors going rogue add much more into the equation. After all Nagasaki and Hiroshima are large thriving urban centres today and were from a few years after rebuilding and the bombs. Yes there were effects from those detonations, but Fukushima is worse in many ways and a lot more long lasting. Chernobyl won't be a thriving urban centre any time soon. Like for centuries. If it had gotten into the groundwater and blew up even more(as they feared) most of Belarus and much of Ukraine would be an exclusion zone. And those effects would have travelled farther on the winds and caused cancers and other nasties, screwing up a fair bit of Europe.

    All politics West and East is corrupt thats one thing for sure and I trust neither but I am baffled how weak the West and NATO really are when it involves Russia,

    A large majority of the world and the 'West and NATO' have already taken them on with some of the most punitive sanctions in world history and did so in a matter of days, hours in some cases. And are supplying Ukraine with weapons and intel and widespread humanitarian support. Now(and no this isn't the usual whataboutery, it's to illustrate the differences) compare and contrast the level of support or sanction when Iraq, Georgia, Chechnya or Afghanistan were invaded. Hell, look to Yemen today and for the last, what five years? It's being pummelled and nary a word on Western telly, or the interwebs. IIRC 20,000 dead and countless more displaced. If I were darker of skin, I'd be forgiven for thinking the 'World" only seems to wake up when White people are killing and dying in Europe. More than wake up, they as Americans might say "lose their shít" and with remarkable speed too.

    its like they feel like they can't take on this Superpower in the fear they will lose.

    Oh for God's sake. It's not a fear of losing or winning. It's a fear of massive escalation getting way out of hand and world changing, even extinction level event if all the buttons were pushed. Losing or winning could kick off the same result.

    People talking about starting WW3 I think this has already started and history will repeat itself again.

    Actually I would say 911 was the start of WW3, but it's somewhat simmered down of late. If anything this is WW4. Though I don't believe it is. Yet. IMHO it's a phoney war. A Cuban missle crisis on our doorstep and a return to the proxy wars between the US and the USSR in the 20th century.

    There will soon be genocide in Ukraine and will the world watch as it happens? Are you OK if there is genocide committed in Ukraine and nobody intervenes?

    Please, please look up the word 'genocide'. It isn't what you appear to think it means. Genocide is not happening in Russia's misadventure in Ukraine.

    There has been the sniff of it in the Donbas alright. Where it's kinda like Northern Ireland in the Troubles only on steroids and methamphetamines. Where(to continue the comparison) the Irish and the British were supporting and supplying their 'side'. To carry it further Donbas is more 'Loyalist'(to Russia) than 'Nationalist'(to Ukraine). To labour the comparison even further, the war in Ukraine today would be like the British invading Ulster in the Troubles to "protect their own' as their claimed aim, but who then went to invade further and seek to take Dublin, Cork, Galway, get rid of the standing Dail unless they were 'Loyalist' in tendencies and put in a London controlled puppet government. And the World lost their shít, and rightfully so, but didn't dig too deep into the whys, or excuses if you're Putin. Like barstool Irish-Americans in the 1970's waxing lyrical and ignorantly on the Republican struggle 'back home'. "Top o' the mornin' to ya, laddy boy. Have some Lucky Charms and a fiver for de' cause". This has been brewing for a long while and it's a lot more complex than flag avatars and blind rhetoric on all sides.

    What do the UN actually do if they can't intervene because of political agendas?

    Involve themselves, compromise, sanction, support, to talk and try to de-escalate and peacekeep if and when they can. What they were designed to do.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The Visa/MasterCard thing might be a bit of a blessing for Vlad. They have a similar card system called Mir in Russia. It's linked to the central bank. Now it will be easier to snoop into what people are buying with their cards.

    Russians won't be able to buy stuff abroad though. Not that they can right now anyway.

    They really are going right back to Soviet times.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jaysus lads, I withdraw some of my praise of US Intelligence, the Russians did it all in the open and for everyone to see online. 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    That's why Russia needs to unload the old missiles before they sent in the fodder. Grozny style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    And hard cash being half a stone of rubles to buy naggin of vodka!

    I hope the shithole of a country goes down the tubes and stays there for a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,391 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Is Mir a credit or debit card?

    I'd imagine loosing access to quick credit via a Visa/Mastercard credit card would hurt more than a debit card, especially in light of how their economy is going. You could cut off Americans debit cards and they probably wouldn't notice, cut off their credit cards and they would be fucked!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,752 ✭✭✭threeball


    The Ukrainians would be better off shooting Russian mechanics than Russian soliders at this stage and the war would be over in a week. It an army of antique equipment with some decent new stuff sprinkled throughout but not enough to win a full scale war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Won't happen. It has to much resources for anyone to let go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,113 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Rereading the Visa/MC announcement it doesn't appear to exclude Russian issued cards from being used within Russia, at least on reading the Visa statement


    Bit of ambiguity in their statements



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Yeah any currently issued cards are fine within Russia apparently, but they aren't supporting any newly issued ones or purchases outside the country... so not the armageddon we initially thought it would be when first announced



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,776 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    This, I sat in amazement thinking about what’s happening and the abject cowardice by NATO and the West.

    Iraq

    Syria

    Afghanistan

    US go and gung-ho to the above but Russians kick off, a greater threat… Putin threatening Nuclear actions and nothing… Joe resembling an auld fella who wandered into the bookies to get out of the rain and have a chat…

    i think Biden will genuinely go down as one of the most useless and cowardly western leaders of the modern age. It was a time for a line in the sand, bravery and fortitude but nothing…

    not decisive, not convincing, not inspiring not proactive not in any way the figurehead of a deterrent….all talk and not very good at that either.

    With the renewed aggression without provocation of Russia towards Europe and Europeans, the biggest rupture and threat in European security since WW2… European nations playing their part in solving conflicts at the beck and call of the US / UN…. Elsewhere… now this…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Election??

    Wont be an issue - id be surprised if they bother with one

    Id be more hopeful of some sort of action from within to remove him

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


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    It's not an act of war. It's a Special Financial Operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    I hope you are right but they do have hundreds of thousands more soldiers available if necessary though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭liamtech


    If it came to that, and they had to amass another army group to go in - It really does beg the question would his regime begin to crumble? Remember as far as everyone in Moscow is told, everything is going well

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Even if there was a 1 in a 100 chance NATO putting boots on the ground would lead to nearly eight billion deaths and countless future lives it would not be worth it.


    Brave and all what Ukraine are doing they are not objective in saying NATO should support them.


    I think Putin is bluffing, but can't be sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I was surprised how far Russia’s population has fallen- less than 145 million. U.K. and France have 65 million between them. Germany 85. I was reading how much it’s stagnated over the years and fallen by another 1 million post covid, I’d say this is really driving the Putin fanatics, trying to shore up the population with “ethnic Russians” that don’t even live in Russia.

    145 million mostly not very well off or advanced society isn’t the basis for a military that can compete with the United States wealthy superpower or even the others when they’re clubbed together.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Er!....it doesn't actually. They,the russians, said at the outset that they had $690 billion in reserve. That figure can have 200 billion knocked off straight away because they are a proven lying shower of C***s. They can have all the resources they like but if they are having less and less places to sell them to as the sanctions are ramped up then they're not worth a damn to them.

    God bless Ukraine 🇺🇦, f**k putin and all belonging to him.



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