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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,523 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I know it's been called out already that the security threat is a red herring, but i'll repeat it. Ukraine is not a Nato buffer, it's a democracy buffer. The threat to Putin is the advance of the free world. Ukraine's fate was sealed when it overthrew the puppet Government in 2014.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Yep, certain chauvinistic, anti-traveller, single, Trump-supporting, spineless individuals lap that nonsense up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    That man's either an idiot or a liar. Each of those points can be compared to reality and found not to agree with it. Those points are also the same points made by Putin and his lackeys, coincidentally. He's probably been watching too much RT or Tucker Carlson, RT's favourite useful idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    LOL. You think lack of easy access to "major porn outlets" is going to be a decisive factor in political outcomes? I can see why that list of sanctions might seem soul destroying to the cosmopolitan classes but none of it lacks substitutes. Even to the extent it is beneficial at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    ** Coming to the Bord Gais Na Mona Energy Theatre this spring



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    I don’t think people in North Korea know any different.

    Russians do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Of course you don't. Do me a favour and just shout at a cloud next time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    The lack of a BigMac and a can of Coke (coupled with no football) is what will get the Russians really annoyed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The free exchange of ideas has never been absolute in the West. It's never absolute in any society, because any society is held together in part by common values and the antithesis of those values are taboos, which are out of bounds and people who espouse these taboos face certain penalties. It may only be in Western society that we just have a broader spectrum of what can be discussed than other places. And it has increasingly been the problem in Western society that people hide behind the banner of free speech to industriously sow confusion and hatred. There comes a point where you have to say, 'stop'. Nobody sits around and goes, "Y'know, it's good that the Allies won WW2, but wouldn't it have been great if they let Nazi Germany broadcast in their home countries, just to get a balanced perspective?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    No. What he says doesn't match all the actual evidence. Like I said earlier, this guy's probably brainwashed by RT or some Tucker Carlson type.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,523 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Yes the domestic Russian equivalent is called the 'Government'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The only thing I'll promise you is that I'll be picking up on any time you try to pawn off an armed gang as protestors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Kooks like that are all that can be found at the moment. Next we'll be hearing from Steve Bannon's podcast and a translated clip from North Korean News Lady.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The only person who caused the invasion of Ukraine is Vladimir Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Since poor Vlad's reputation is taking a bit of a beating....I thought I would share this quirky story. It's the "Hitler loved dogs" kind of thing where a person who you think of as wholly evil...does something nice.

    TL;DR - Putin loved his primary school teacher. She emigrated to Israel. Years later after becoming PM, he goes on an official visit to Israel. Seeing 'her boy' was coming, she contacts him through the embassy and he ends up buying her a flat in Tel-Aviv.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ironically yes, ordinary Russians don't give a crap about sanctions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,874 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    That's all due to the rule about non-biased reporting being eliminated. Nothing has been the same since then, though I find news on the main networks passable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Many of his claims can already be demonstrated as being false. That should be a good indicator that he shouldn't be listened to if you want reliable information.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    If you're aged 14-40 in Russia you're not the same as someone aged 14-40 in Ireland or the West in general. If all those services were cut in Ireland that age group would have a complete meltdown and there would be no local alternatives like there are in Russia. In the major urban centres you'd have more equivalence alright, but beyond that it's a different mindset. When I read recent Russian polls that claimed Czar Vlad has gained support it wouldn't -for a nice change with Russian polls- surprise me one little bit.

    The Russians I've known and know(including talking with one this very week) they support Putin to a large extent, some to quite an incredible extent to the Western mind. At worst they'll say he over reached, but he has a longterm plan, or at best(for him) Ukraine is full of nazis and we're believing propaganda, to the same degree we reckon they are. read this thread and see the reaction of many to anyone who strays even slightly from 'our' narative. Well imagine that in reverse from the Russian side. They are just as certain of their position. The sanctions have if anything increased that feeling.

    Plus the Russian psyche has a strong siege mentality and the vast majority over 40, even 30 remember the bad old days and they survived that. By the sad virtue of the fact that Russia is so underdeveloped and Russians so poor compared to French, German, or Irish people they're overall much more resilient too. Outside of the wealthy and urban centres the average Russian is far more like people of our grandparents and greatgrandparents generation than ours. Frugal and mend and make do and expectations are low. The percentage of Russians that have even been in an IKEA and bought stuff from it is pretty small. IMHO the sanctions will take a fair bit of time to bite for most Russians. They're mostly hitting the middle class urbanites and party wealthy.

    Post edited by Wibbs on

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I get that. And freedom of speech is pushed to limits by some and exploited by people with sinister motives.

    What I don't understand is the security aspect of it. Even given that some of the most dangerous people will say little or nothing, there is a security benefit to a free and open society -- you can identify threats and networks of contacts. That's harder to do when it's all pushed underground, no?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Don't forget that Russia has its own social and messaging apps too which are very popular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    All the Kremlin propaganda in the world won't cover the fact that they are being systematically cut off. Most are going to see the differences in their daily lives, and certainly with the economy and their savings. When things are really bad maybe they'll see the differences between themselves and their dear leaders who have 100 million dollar yachts and 1 billion dollar holiday houses on public salaries. Maybe then it will start to sink or, or maybe it won't. We'll see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,392 ✭✭✭corkie


    Has this been shared here already?

    CNN ~ ‘Enemy of humankind’: Ex-Russian oligarch speaks out about Putin

    CNN's Nina dos Santos speaks with Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a former Russian oil tycoon and Kremlin critic who says Russian President Vladimir Putin is "the enemy of humankind."

    As mentioned in comments, putting his life on the line by speaking out?

    "he needs to be stopped now".

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand



    As I said, no one is obliged to allow an enemy to speak. But they should at least be honest about the authoritarianism rather than pretending to be a free society. No "society" has common values. All societies have a ruling ideology that enforces the ideology from the top down. The ideology might change but dissenters are treated the same around the world.

    Christ, the USSR led the field in characterising their internal critics as being either foreign agents or mentally ill. Now it is the status quo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Belarus is a major exporter but has already been sanctioned by the EU over that border thing. Ukraine itself is big exporting lots of minerals including fertilzers but in the next few days they will be cut off from the sea.It will be impossible to deliver by road in the middle of a warzone and too expensive anyway.

    India & China are massive producers but they export very little and still import loads themselves.

    All in all expect prices of food to explode in general to skyrocket now, and that is just fertilizer.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Peter Hitchens (or Hitchens the lesser as I like to call him) was at this before the invasion. Basically saying before the Russian invasion that if Putin went into Ukraine it would be insanity, and it was an intelligence error from Washington, and that if Putin invades it would prove the point of Nato and he would never do that because he's a 4D chess master, and that he's seen no evidence of troop formations.

    After disappearing for a week or so to get the egg off his face, he has reappeared on discount channels like GB News pushing a similar line to the Trumpite military guy on Fox.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Maybe it's because the arguments change daily, sometimes hourly. All while being complete nonsense and sometimes outright lies. Listening at the UNSC you'd never guess the invasion literally just began as they're talking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Twitter and Youtube being blocked in Russia apparently. Eventually the Kremlin will cut off most of the internet (this has been years in the making). I wonder if they'll target VPNs also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Thanks for demonstrating my point.

    I mean it's all the more impressive when you've entirely ignored that both sides are busy killing civilians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Apparently the arms and weapons are arriving in Ukraine

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