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Russia - threadbanned users in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Can’t stand him but will absolutely let him have this one. The money will be needed and his platform is ideal mechanism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    I'm completely ignorant about it, but isn't that easy to make? other countries can begin production or increase production quite easily I'd have thought?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,114 ✭✭✭wassie


    Ukrainians are shooting some down, it's one thing to toss a conscript into a battle in a 20 year old tank, it's another to commit a $40 million ₽4,960m* fighter jet.

    Fixed that for you


    * current as of 4 Mar, 19:53 UTC




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Could be very counter-productive for them. Their state TV propaganda machine is telling them about a minor military operation "to protect the Donbass" and with no Ukrainian civilian casualties and yet they've just shut down the two biggest social media networks. I'd say a fair few people in Russia must be beginning to smell a rat and wondering if things are a lot more serious than they are being told.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Exactly, he is a declared enemy of our state. What are we going to do about it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Dazzel


    "Isn't getting invaded by a hostile country the exact kind of thing that would make a country think, "Hey maybe we should be part of a defensive alliance which would ensure that'll never happen again!"?"

    Yes. If all were equal it would be in the Ukrainian peoples interest to move closer to the west and eventually join the EU. After all, Russia offers nothing except militarism. That would be no problem if it sat in a different geo-political reality or geographic position.

    But the reality is that it sits in a position where a nuclear power with huge conventional forces and complex cultural and historical connections has for decades asserted that it joining Nato would be a red line - however "bullying" that may be. And in this circumstance the wiser approach would have been to thread and navigate a neutral path for the mutual benefit of everyone. Ukraine cant and wont join Nato now and the government that pursued it will either flee or enter negotiations that will treaty it.

    The cost benefit analysis of taking a neutral line would have been the more logical policy to pursue for Ukraine. Pursuing the alternative is now a futile war of destruction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Hi, just wondering if you're a mod and if not, why are you giving out orders on what can and can't be posted here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,114 ✭✭✭wassie


    7 down, 6 across......going to be some cranky Ruskies about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭valoren


    Not Lovin' each day...it could be my last...don't need you right here next to me.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It would be my opinion that Russia did indeed want to take over Ukraine, certainly take over the major cities especially Kyiv, have the current government fall out of windows by mistake, stick another Soviet puppet in like the moron in Belarus(which is a province of Russia in all but name), and that they expected far less resistance even welcome from the Ukrainians as they were 'rooting out nazis'. They thought it was more like Hitler marching into Austria, only it turned out to be Hitler marching into Russia.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Well if there's anyone who'd know if Russia committed war crimes, the experts will surely know!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Apparently the mayor of a Ukrainian controlled town in the Luhansk region, Volodymyr Struk, was abducted and murdered by unknown men in military style uniforms. An advisor to the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs greeted his death by saying "There is one less traitor in Ukraine" and that he had been "judged by the court of the people's tribunal". "He was shot by unknown patriots as a traitor according to war-time law".

    I've seen in news reports Ukrainian officials and soldiers again and again talking about the need to identify "saboteurs". Ukraine is a very corrupt state. There could be a lot of scores being settled against ethnic Russians in Ukraine in a similar fashion by groups of "unknown patriots" under the cover of war. There is form for this - 31 pro-Russian protestors were burnt to death in Odessa back in 2014 by a crowd chanting "Glory to Ukraine" and "Death to enemies". Given the Ukrainian crisis is ultimately an ethnic conflict in a multicultural state it could get very, very grim.

    The Ukrainians have imprisoned an ethnic Russian politician, Viktor Medvedchuk, who was the leader of the main opposition party in Ukraine for several years now. The chances are that he will be "shot while trying to escape" before this ends. He is apparently a personal friend of Putin so will likely be murdered by hardliners as a final act of revenge.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    fertilizer prices have a massive impact on food availability and pricing in developing economies (in particular) but impact the whole world. There were already fertilizer shortages (and rising costs) before any of this started.. due to rising gas prices and orther factors.

    Russia's move here (and the conflict in general) threatens to push tens of millions below the poverty line. If not reversed somehow, it will lead to starvation, destabalize entire regions and create massive refugee flows. This conflict may cause more deaths outside Ukraine than it does inside it, baffling and depressing as that sounds.

    These are all articles from 2021 before any of this started. It was bad then. Imagine with 13% of the global supply now cut off...


    And from a few days ago:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Can you send that meme in Russian please? I can't use google translate on images lad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    We had a fetiliser industry in Ireland. We shut down. Ditto peat and sugar production…I’m sure you can gather where this is going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Wow, that's an eye opener. Very worrying. Cheers for the info. Seems a bit mean for Putin to pull exports when it will mainly affect the developing world. I mean India has surprisingly been one of the more 'friendly' countries towards Russia over this invasion, yet this would really hit them hard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Well the obvious answer to tell the Russians is that the west banned Russian media so in response they're banning western media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You can create nitrogen fertiliser. However you usually have to mine potash out of the ground. (You can also get it from organic materials as well). We don't have any Potash mines here. I think a high percentage of the worlds supply comes out of Kazakhstan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Eco eye on rte recently had a programme about the huge increase on the price of fertilizer.

    Not in farming, but they said planting mixed grasses can help absorb nitrogen into the soil.

    Thus reducing the reliance.

    It sounded like the future?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Youtube being blocked as well, Putin is really going after the younger demographic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Do you question why our governments is "cancelling" Russia, including media? No? Then why do you assume your Russian counterpart is any different?

    People generally believe whatever the TV tells them. If you go outside that, you'll be attacked - in Russia and here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    They would have been talking about clover. It isn't really the "future" as that has been done for decades now. They are pushing it to be done more dilligently but that is for environmental reasons. And again, it only helps with the nitrogen part of requirements.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I reckon that perception of their competence was born of Cold War fear, revved up in importance by the Americans on top. Well those nice military contracts need filling. The Americans constantly over played the Soviets capabilities, even when a fair few knew much of the threat was BS. Their nuclear arsenal was the big concern. If they never got that they'd be bit players. The Chinese developed their nukes with the help of the Soviets and their armed forces used to be a joke. A huge one, but a joke. And the West got worried about them. Nukes are the game changer essentially. You have them and everybody's afraid to say boo to you, even if you had an army consisting of three blokes in a shed with shotguns and your navy was a lad in a rowboat. With a slingshot. If Russia didn't have nukes NATO/UN peacekeepers would likely be crossing the border already.

    If you look at Russian military history it mostly consists of brave troops hurling themselves in human, or tank, or aircraft waves. It works, but it's bloody and costly. In pretty much any evenly matched battle I can think of they were routed in short and decisive order. Even in very lopsided affairs like Finland they were pushed back by a determined and skilled opposition losing men and material in double quick time. If nukes weren't on the table and the Americans went into Ukraine today in a conventional war situation I'd be shocked if the Russians survived a fortnight.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    Phosphorus is the problem - it's present in, er, 'night soil' but to get it in the quantities required for industrial-scale fertiliser production it has to be mined from some very specific areas of the world. I think China (of course!) and Morocco are top of the league?

    Bat guano used to be big business for its phosphorus content :p



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Don't forget though that the vast majority of people don't use social media to "read the news" but instead to interact with each other. There is a big difference between the EU blocking Russian news media websites like RT and Sputnik (who would only even be read by a tiny number of Putin fans) and Russia shutting down huge social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    True, though an attack in Russia has far more risks involved. Personally I think the Western shutdown of Russian media was a big mistake. Censorship always leads those you're trying to reach look like you're trying to hide something.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    It’s a puzzling one. I suppose it’s an absolutely huge country, and their Mig 29s can take off from a decent stretch of road. I have wondered whether Ukrainian aircraft can use the airspace of surrounding countries to duck in and back out. Maybe they are rarely flying at all. For the Russians, it may be that their intelligence isn’t up to snuff so it’s very hard to pinpoint worthwhile targets in advance. Then you have the surface to air missiles making life very hard for attack helicopters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Yep. The old boys are mostly loyal, it's the younger generation they need to control. The knowledge of VPNs is pretty widespread now. They're advertised on every podcast. I'd imagine many of the younger generation will bypass the blocks with ease.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    most of our and the world's potash comes from belarus and russia.

    belarus weren't supposed to be exporting it in recent times because of the sanctions in the last year or so, but they had done a deal with lithuania where it was basically being sneaked out of the country.

    there's a massive crisis currently for all farmers eu-wide re fertiliser shortages. even the us farmers are starting to have difficulties

    that's inevitably going to translate into food production declines later this year



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