Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Notmything · 03-03-2022 03:50PM

Mar 3, 2022

Time for NATO and the West to step it up and stop Putin before it's too late. Now would be the ideal time to attack Russian forces when they are struggling in the Ukraine. Forgot Negotiations and diplomacy a waste of time against Putin. He needs to faced right on. Nothing to be feared but fear itself.

I assume you include Ireland and Irish troops as part of this?

Would you be willing to enlist if that's the case?

03-03-2022 03:51PM

Strazdas

Mar 3, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726055#Comment_118726055
Update : Putin told Macron he intends to take the whole of Ukraine - French President says he fears "the worst is to come".

Putin is laying down the challenge then. What is the West going to do? Not much we can do really, other than cut off Russia financially, economically, logistically and socially. If those sentiments are true, Ukraine is gone

Tony EH · 03-03-2022 03:52PM

@Drumpot

As Wibbs said, if you look at the thread, when people try to expand out from “Putin is bad, we have to save Ukraine” (which is fine to be the general narrative), people are accused of trying to deflect or somehow imply it’s ok what Putin is doing.

You don't even have to expand on anything. All you have to say is tanks get stuck in the mud. 😆

Yurt2 · 03-03-2022 03:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726267#Comment_118726267

I'll take Western utopianism over Putinist nihilism every day of the week, where demoralised and propgandised citizens greet wars of national extinction with a shrug.

@[Deleted User]

omega man · 03-03-2022 03:53PM

I wonder are the Chinese themselves surprised at the coordinated western sanctions and their immediate impact. Surely they would take serious note, at least privately.

VinLieger · 03-03-2022 03:54PM

A hell of a lot of rumours coming out of Russia that hes about to declare martial law.

Strazdas · 03-03-2022 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726282#Comment_118726282

I'm not sure how much it will change the West's strategy. The only thing it tells them is that he has no interest in peace negotiations and has no intention whatsoever of withdrawing from Ukraine. It's the first time he has admitted though that the intention is to take all of Ukraine (and presumably install a puppet regime).

CB19Kevo · 03-03-2022 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726189#Comment_118726189

Why should the West give an Inch.. What has Putin done that should make any of us give anything to him. Are we at the stage of rewarding terror. What does that teach any of us, what message does that teach our kids.

Putin if he so wished could have taken a different route, a positive route for the Russian people but he has chosen to inflict terror & now he will pay & now he should suffer & now we all need to make a choice of living in a world where we accept and lie down in the face of evil or we stand united and face our aggressors.

Nuclear threat or not, this question must be asked of us all.

03-03-2022 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726270#Comment_118726270

Well, this is the quandary, isn't it? Your scenario would seem to be zero sum: Let Putin have Latvia or... Or what? Engage in a nuclear exchange that would end all human life on the planet? The choice is binary and those are the stakes. It's as stark and bleak as that. If you think there's a straightforward answer to that, you're a better man than me, Gunga Din!

cnocbui · 03-03-2022 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726161#Comment_118726161

Da Cor utterly wrong, as is usually the case, no surprise.

Bayonet · 03-03-2022 03:56PM

Speaker of Russian parliament on Russian TV. This is now North Korea levels of propaganda

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1499397520987856909?s=20&t=5qjK-e-g4nO6DC5z3U3BDA

03-03-2022 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726072#Comment_118726072

Russia scores 19, Ukraine 61 (Ireland 97). So therefore because Ukraine is not perfect, its as bad as Russia and we can both sides this?

briany · 03-03-2022 03:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726219#Comment_118726219

Personally, I fear dying in the nuclear winds, or living long enough after to face famine, starvation, radiation sickness and cannibal tribes who just want me for my body.

But that's me.

is_that_so · 03-03-2022 03:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726282#Comment_118726282

He needs a huge force to take and occupy the country. He can't even take a few cities with this large force. Ukraine will fight and he can't beat down an insurgency as he runs out of money. There are many phases of this to go and none of them favour Russia.

03-03-2022 03:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726313#Comment_118726313

The west should give an inch because the alternative is a third world war. And then there will be no kids to teach, because they will all be dead. I do not like saying these things. But yours are fighting words, and fair play to you, but you should know that a fight between Great Powers in 2022 will mean the end of the world and the permanent destruction of the future.

TheValeyard · 03-03-2022 04:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726347#Comment_118726347

Giving him an inch is how he's become a despotic ruler.

Botrys · 03-03-2022 04:02PM

good read

https://twitter.com/alexstubb/status/1499334282992627716?s=20&t=q4GBF1U8REqKHRcdJ2gkmQ

Strazdas · 03-03-2022 04:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726347#Comment_118726347

Macron and Scholz tried all this - went to Moscow and gave him all sorts of assurances and guarantees and then he went and invaded Ukraine (and must have already have decided to invade at the time he was talking to them).

liamtech · 03-03-2022 04:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726368#Comment_118726368

yea very decent

03-03-2022 04:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726314#Comment_118726314

No, I think the West/NATO have done the right thing for the greater good of humanity. They've called Putin out - and the more they threaten Nuclear war the more it sounds hollow. BUT, I don't think NATO should engage Russia over Ukraine. I do think they WILL engage Russia if Russia attacks a NATO country. The rest of the non Russia sycophant countries should continue to hammer Russia with sanctions.

Dohnjoe · 03-03-2022 04:07PM

Taking it with a big pinch of salt, but still, after the situation in LNR and DNR, I don't know..

https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1499381363010682881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1499381363010682881%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F18hnzysb1elcs%2FLiveUpdate_c5b8b1e4-9afd-11ec-a20a-ced092c5ac05%2F0

The FSB are an outfit who have no problem openly murdering individuals with exotic nerve agents or radioactive substances

josip · 03-03-2022 04:07PM

Why have Belarus not been included in the FIFA/UEFA ban?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60604091

They're included in the IOC ban.

If anyone wants to do something about it, https://www.fai.ie/domestic/future-football/contact

Strazdas · 03-03-2022 04:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726368#Comment_118726368

Yes, a very good read. Stubb seems to suggest that the only way this can end long term is if Putin is removed by the Russians themselves. Otherwise we are stuck with having a very aggressive authoritarian dictatorship on our doorstep for some time to come and will have to adapt accordingly.

Furze99 · 03-03-2022 04:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726187#Comment_118726187

"Genocide is a very specific crime. It's not about numbers, it's about acts that specifically have "the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" "

Isn't that what Russia has threatened, intended and is carrying out?

Dohnjoe · 03-03-2022 04:08PM

Crazy **** going down in Russia

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1499395103957434369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1499395103957434369%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fliveupdate%2F18hnzysb1elcs%2FLiveUpdate_e95509ba-9b00-11ec-84b8-4ef91ad5aa9a%2F0

joe40 · 03-03-2022 04:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726037#Comment_118726037

So sovereign countries can't make decisions for themselves, in case a dictator somewhere is upset.

Mecanudo · 03-03-2022 04:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726189#Comment_118726189

"At the moment Putin isn't giving an inch and this isn't sustainable"

Fixed that typo for you.

You're welcome

GM228 · 03-03-2022 04:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118726325#Comment_118726325

The scary thing is what you describe isn't just a fanciful vision of a post nuclear war world, but more likely a true reflection of what could come if it cane to that.