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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,302 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There was a British military expert on the news at One and he is indeed pessimistic about the cities in the east and south (thinks they will fall after shelling and blockade). He does hold out a lot of hope for Kyiv though and reckons it would be much more difficult for the Russians to take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It's a likely extermination of the 2 million people who comprise Ukrains civil society. This is Stalin / Pol Pot levels of horror about to unfold. I saw something a couple days ago that they are already going door to door looking for people in the areas they control, so the pogrom may well be already underway.

    This was explained by Anastasiya Shapochkina on France24. Shes a Ukrainian academic working in Paris and an expert on Russian politics.

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    Things have already gone too far for any compromise with Herr Putin. As long as he remains full sanctions need to and will remain - even if for years and Russian resembles a medieval fiefdom. I've full confidence existing sanctions will remain - the risk to the rest of the world is too great. It's an even colder war than previous, but as long as Putin is treated like El Presidente in Moscow he'll be content.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭threeball


    If Ukraine and Taiwan aren't worth saving, at which point do we get to one who is worth it? This sickening attitude of my corner of turf if ok so fcuk everyone else is what has led us down this path. Expansionism is something countries like Russia and China will pursue as long as they're let. Chinese soft expansionism has large swathes of Africa and Asia already under its thumb. Its only a matter of time before the soft version turns hard. Putin will go as long as he's let.

    I agree on the sanctions. Anthing the hurts the little man will only turn public opinion against the west and motivate Russia's military. There was 20yrs spent on unjustified wars in the middle east where their presence only solidified the feeling of animosity. The one justifiable military action, in Ukraine, the west is turning its back on for fear of reprisals that will come eventually in any case if they are to come at all. Except we'll have lost multiple allies before it done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Indeed countries can't always do what they want. Especially when people more than willing to give in to dictators are around.

    Russia invaded. As you say a country can't always get what it wants. Russia should be pummeled with sanctions until it gives up Ukraine and acknowledges it as a sovereign country irrespective of what it wants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The Estonian cargo ship Helt was Sunk outside the port of Odessa ,

    How is targeting of civilian vessels not an act of war by Russia also a war crime ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


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    Putin may win his "peace keeping" "de-nazification" mission but he's not going to win all the other economic/financial/technological/propoganda/etc. wars that are going on ..

    During the last 20 odd years Putin has been in power the Ruble has gone from 29 to 108 against the dollar and its only going to get far worse....

    stories today of russian banks now charging an additional 30% commission for russians to convert their rubles ...

    the russian people and economy will be destroyed by putins actions and ultimately enough will be enough....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,643 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    If Russia does do a false flag and fire on its own people i can understand the warped thinking a little:

    • Declare war on USA sponsered Ukraine aggressors publically in Russia.
    • Unleash everything bar nuclear weapons on Ukraine with no regard for civilian life as its now a "war" on "aggressors"
    • Announce 24 hours later "look at all the cities of these aggressors we took already", even if Kyiv hasnt fallen by then its likely in dire straits.
    • Russian public cheers them on with swelling chests of pride, accepts the increasing economic hardship.

    Putin is the hero of Russia!!

    In other news I think Xi has played Putin like a proverbial fiddle. Supplied him with American intelligence in advance of the invasion knowing full well hard man Putin wouldnt back down but Putin would think the Chinese are on his side.

    Xi gets to see what might happed if China invaded Taiwan and they get massively disounted oil and gas and whatever else they need from a Russian economy on its knees and desperate for cash.

    With Russia out of SWIFT it starts using the Chinese CIPS which obviously the Chinese control.

    China is the real winner of the Russia Ukraine war..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    I see Sergei Lavrov has said this morning that Russia will carry on the war with Ukraine until "the end", but the question is what does Russia consider the end?

    Another interesting accusation he made:-

    "Offering no evidence, Lavrov said Russia had information that the United States was worried about the prospect of losing control over what he described as chemical and biological laboratories in Ukraine and accused Britain of building military bases there"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭omega man





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Not on the home front. More and more Russians are being exposed to the 'actual' news and things could start to bubble. Hence the talk of possible martial law. An 'attack' on Russia would give Putin support to go 'get em'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,302 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Not just schoolkids getting this nonsense, but the entire country. The entire media landscape is pro-Putin propaganda being passed off as "the truth" and "reality". It's almost on the scale of Nazi Germany in the 1930s....anyone who goes off message is at risk from being banished from the airwaves (or worse). Russia's best known talk show host was taken off air last week for posting an anti-war message on Instagram.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    How do you get in contact with Russian people the way putinbots can infiltrate us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,979 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Everything is an excuse for Moscow - it's a technique. If they don't have one, they'll just manufacture one as we've seen. If NATO never existed Putin would be going in Ukraine regardless, actually who we kidding, Ukraine would be long gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 496 ✭✭Gile_na_gile


    I would find that hard to fathom, too. He is already in enough trouble as it is, but... it has precedent and we know a similar event with ketchup rather than real blood was planned to kickstart the invasion but foiled by the Americans and UK who outed this and their puppet state plans. The videos of captured Russian rocket launchers (some of them claim they have thermobaric weapons but they probably do not) could form part of this, plus fake news that Ukraine were going on the offensive, i.e. into Russian Federation territory proper.

    Also worrying is that intelligence confirms Sino-Russian pre-agreement on the invasion timeline, and from that it seem China abstained only because of the threat of sanctions. The West has chosen bravely to take up hardship for a good cause, but we are otherwise regarded by Russia and China as the decadent US and a hodgepodge of divisable West Eurasian states only useful because of our money and willingness to educate their children in our elite schools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭omega man


    May explain the limited ground engagement by Russian troops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Russia just murdered an OSCE observer:

    "Maryna Fenina, who worked for the OSCE mission monitoring the situation in Ukraine, died when she provided supplies for her family in a city that had become a war zone."

    https://polishnews.co.uk/ukraine-russias-attack-osce-mission-member-killed-in-russian-attack/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    You don't need hypotheticals - look at Cuba for a real example and how did that play out? Also don't forget that Russia is only 20 odd miles away from the USA at its closest point.

    To be clear, its Putin who doesn't like Nato and the EU and doesn't want its neighbours to join either. The Russian people don't really care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,743 ✭✭✭✭josip


    First of all, get to grips with this; make sure you learn the Russian one.

    One unexpected benefit is that you will finally realise what the CCCP was when the Soviet Union was competing in the Olympics.

    Then spend at least 2 years learning the vocabulary and grammar (cases can be tough).

    You'll then need to polish things off with a bit of localisation; think the 'proper English' school in Slumdog Millionaire.

    And even then, you're still at risk of alienating your 'audience' with an innocuous mistake like 'Gaelic'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Is he losing the plot, or that shameless/ruthless? maybe he really doesn't know what the army is doing? weird.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    What has that got to do with my posts?

    Seriously just ignore me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Really Wibbs? We're at the stage of indisputable war crimes. At what point if Russian forces continue this does it become genocide in your opinion? When 500 civilians are indiscriminately killed: 5000, 10000, 50000? What's the threshold for intervention?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    If Canada wished to become communist then that would be there business. Invading Ukraine, attempting to bomb it flat and ethnically cleansing its population cannot be described as "delicate"

    Attempting to explain away the invasion as some type of peace keeping mission is straight from Putins own notebook and frankly is complete bollocs.

    The only reason any country close to Russia has joined NATO is to prevent exactly what has happening in Ukraine now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Google embassies, consuls, Russian businesses etc, really simple when there's a will to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,979 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    No issue with your posts at all, but you seemed to be conflicted for narratives over Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,979 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    IKEA has just stopped all operations with Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,580 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Putin is watching the same news channels the rest of Russia is watching. Seems he has no clue either of the reality ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭html6


    Exercises shown on TV before invasion showed a fraction of operational equipment. Much of the rest is either inoperable or suffering mechanical issues.


    6/7k Russian soldiers dead - double that. Thousands upon thousands POWed, injured, absconded.


    Sources saying Kiyv will fall in 8 weeks. However experts say if Russians don't take the city before the weekend is over there will be an indefinite battle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Fabricated conversations? And you know this how?

    My point on my post count is that people can decide for themselves what sort of person and poster I am. You aren’t bothered so make sweeping statements about me you simply are not in a position to make, that’s more the likely you projecting on me what you do then any reflection of actually who I am.



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