Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Mecanudo · 03-03-2022 09:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724147#Comment_118724147

Another Putin Apologist? OK.

I presume your thinking is that Putin had no other option other than to invade Ukraine, bomb the **** out of it and undertake the ethnic cleansing of the Ukranian people even though its not part of any "defensive military alliance"

So you're asking me - why would countries like Ukraine (who's just been invaded by Russia), Sweden and Finland (who've just be threatened by Russia) seek to be part of a defensive network, which appears to be the only thing holding Putins land grabbing megalomaniac ambitions at bay? No sorry absolutely stumped on that one. >insert irony emoji<.

Edit. Thanks @Dohnjoe you bet me to it!

Wibbs · 03-03-2022 09:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724153#Comment_118724153

No idea. Personally I think they'll have to put it to Russia that they have to fully withdraw, FULLY, from ALL Ukraine regions including Crimea etc and reparations to be paid to cover the damage and losses.

Wont happen though, Putin is a basket case.

I agree, that won't happen, but not because Putin is a basket case, more because no leader in his position would accept that. Not when the threat of mushroom clouds is in the room. Those across the table from him know this too and beyond the rhetoric that's attractive in the early days, they'll be looking for a longterm practical way out to 'save face' all around.

At this stage I don't see how we avoid a WW

Well for me we've been in WW3 since 911 happened with ideology against idelogy and hundreds of thousands dead in many places in the world. It just wasn't a massed army against army type. I would say today we're more in WWTF? I don't see Putin invading Poland or any of that. Sabres will be rattled alright, but IMHO his generals would stop him, especially after the cock up of this invasion. Their military have been a complete amateur hour for the most part and the Ukrainians have won the hearts and minds on Twitter war by overwhelming force and held back his forces to a degree that no way did he or his advisors envisage going in. They may have 'poked the bear' but said bear turned out to be arthritic, mangy and blind in one eye.

And let's face it this isn't a proxy war fought elsewhere with brown people doing the dying because I'm not paying three dollars a gallon for my SUV! It's White people killing other White people in Europe. Clearly this has a much bigger impact on how things play out as we've seen in the last week.

Mecanudo · 03-03-2022 09:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724158#Comment_118724158

I agree.

Twitter famously booted the President of America off its Social media platform for inciting violence and other things.

Today twitter is hosting Putins official account. The same guy who just invaded a sovereign country and who is now undertaking a mass programe of ethnic cleansing there.

I reckon twitter desperately needs to get its **** together.

seamus · 03-03-2022 09:18AM

It's always telling when someone describes NATO practically as an autocratic nation "expanding into" (read: taking over) other countries.

They never ask the question of why Russia's neighbours feel the need to voluntarily join a defensive military alliance in the first place.

Obviously the notion of democracy and self-determination is a difficult one for Russia and their apologists to grasp.

Danzy · 03-03-2022 09:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724152#Comment_118724152

We are,6th biggest beef exporter etc etc but our grain isn't really good enough for bread compared to others.

03-03-2022 09:20AM

"No country can improve their security at the expense of another country's security". From the Russians who've just invaded a neighbour. 🤣

AxleAddict · 03-03-2022 09:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724295#Comment_118724295

Yeah - Lavrov's diatribe was pretty thick with irony - pretty much everything he accused the west of could be applied ten-fold to Russia. Bizzare logic.

03-03-2022 09:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724322#Comment_118724322

That's how they operate I guess. I mean sure they're invading Ukraine but someone said something 4 years ago so there.

03-03-2022 09:28AM

https://www.reuters.com/business/oracle-says-it-has-suspended-all-operations-russia-2022-03-02/

If you are in Oil and Gas then you can assume you are using the SAP industry solution for Oil and Gas.

Not obvious to the general public.

Yurt2 · 03-03-2022 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724289#Comment_118724289

Let's call a spade a spade here, if you towed Ireland to the middle of the Black Sea and plonked it there, every single person in this thread would be scrambling to join NATO.

We live on a windy rock, far away from the direct threat of Russia, but only because there's a couple of dozen NATO members in between that effectively gartuntee our security.

All the sh*t talkers making excuses for Putin would be singing to a different tune if they lived in a country bordering a Russia led by that creep.

Have Finland suddenly been transformed into a country of warmongerers? Of course not, it's a country that doesn't want to have its way of life f*cked around with by a fascist and Nato is the means to prevent that.

Yurt2 · 03-03-2022 09:30AM

EltonJohn69 · 03-03-2022 09:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723984#Comment_118723984

Someone not getting to play a tennis match /drive a very fast car vs people being slaughtered in their home…..I have very little sympathy for these sports people

purplepanda · 03-03-2022 09:30AM

ShamNNspace · 03-03-2022 09:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724137#Comment_118724137

There was an excellent documentary about tv rain (Dozhd) on bbc4 last night on their fight to remain an independent news source, tango with Putin

Fiery mutant · 03-03-2022 09:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724295#Comment_118724295

Yeah this is something I cannot grasp. Does Russia seriously believe that other countries shouldn't be able to improve their defensive capabilities in case it erodes Russia's offensive abilities.

Yet it seems Russia has no problem in continuing to develop offensive capabilities to erode other countries defensive one.

They really are in their own little world.

Bayonet · 03-03-2022 09:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724158#Comment_118724158

It's mostly Indians and Muslims. Strange bedfellows there. Muslims aren't too enamoured with the USA, so there's a knee jerk reaction to support Russia. Sad that the victims (Ukrainians) are cast aside in foreign policy arguments. There's no nuance these days. It is possible to look at each individual conflict on its own merit. No one can look at this war objectively and say Ukraine deserved it.

B.A._Baracus · 03-03-2022 09:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724274#Comment_118724274

Interesting point.

It should be noted that twitter waited until trump was no longer president before deleting him which is BS. Like if you're going to do it, means more to do it while still president.

If Putin got outed next week twitter would ban his account only then. Twitter must lick their finger and check the direction of wind each day haha.

Bass Reeves · 03-03-2022 09:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723671#Comment_118723671

Russia cannot afford to cut off the gas. At present they have no other market for it. It cannot be stored and the taps out of the gas reserves cannot be turned off.

By actually not taking Russian oil exports the West is making it even harder for Russia to turn off the gas pipeline ( even if it ever would consider it) as it's it will not I come stream now.

Mecanudo · 03-03-2022 09:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724375#Comment_118724375

They need to be consistent.

Afaik Twitter permanently banned Trump from the platform in January 2021 during the final days of his term as President.

josip · 03-03-2022 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723813#Comment_118723813

If that happens, it's a humanitarian crisis and NATO has intervened on that basis before. Although still unlikely to do so this time, because of Russia being a nuclear power.

Furze99 · 03-03-2022 09:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724158#Comment_118724158

And just how much of that support is from living sentient human beings do you think? You must surely realise that the Russian PR machine is entirely capable of generating counter propaganda by way of bots.

Addmagnet · 03-03-2022 09:50AM

Humour helps me, feel free to skip past my post if you think I'm being irreverent.

Furze99 · 03-03-2022 09:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724340#Comment_118724340

Absolutely, our neutrality basically involves hiding behind the skirts of larger states and hoping no one notices us. I would have grave reservations about joining military alliances based on territorial aggression but none whatsoever about military alliances based on defence.

Wibbs · 03-03-2022 09:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724374#Comment_118724374

I very much agree on the nuance part

It's mostly Indians and Muslims. Strange bedfellows there. Muslims aren't too enamoured with the USA, so there's a knee jerk reaction to support Russia. Sad that the victims (Ukrainians) are cast aside in foreign policy arguments.

Not a shock, because many Muslims would see it sad their victims are cast aside in foreign policy arguments over the last thirty years and no mass sanctions were implemented. A European 'Christian' nation is invaded by another European 'Christian' nation live on social media and it seems the world loses its shít in double quick time and across the board. That's not whataboutery, it's an explanation why some would indeed 'stand with Putin'. India's been sucking on the Soviet teat for a couple of generations, while balancing the West at the same time, so no great shock there. Anything instead of looking hard at themselves, their leaders and some aspects of their culture, social fabric and economics.

B.A._Baracus · 03-03-2022 09:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724391#Comment_118724391

Actually you are correct, in his final days.

I think the point still stands tho. I mean, they could have deleted his account at any time as trump was posting some garbage lol.

But they waited until a new president was voted and trump was literally on the way out. Same with putin... they'll on do it when he is outed. But late then.

Bass Reeves · 03-03-2022 09:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723999#Comment_118723999

The Strela would be excellent against attack helicopters. As we move more and more to trying to take cities, the Russian forces on the ground will need tanks and attack helicopters to back up ground forces. That why javelins and Strela will come into play.

Very hard to hit military jets at high altitude. Russia has not got the technology that the US has on using guided missiles from military planes.

While it may seem silly these are functional weapons if used in the right way

HerrKuehn · 03-03-2022 09:55AM

Rumours going around that most of the Russian soldiers were told they were filming a movie called "Steppe Thunder", a kind of rip off of the Tropic Thunder movie.

Furze99 · 03-03-2022 09:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724394#Comment_118724394

NATO cannot directly intervene but the if the UN gets it's **** together, surely it can send in a peace enforcing coalition of troops. In order to prevent genocide. Of course the Russian veto must be overcome but that is not beyond the collective will of other states. And since we are privileged (cursed?) to be on the security council, maybe more responsibility lies on us than others..

seamus · 03-03-2022 09:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724391#Comment_118724391

To be fair, the office Russian President account on Twitter isn't really used for opinions or statements. Seems to be little more than a feed of press releases. Trump's accounts were being used for spreading obvious disinformation and inciting hatred.

It would probably be a different story if Putin's Twitter account was being used to make direct statements about what was happening in Ukraine.

The main reason Twitter waited until after the inauguration to delete Trump's account was legal ambiguity. There were questions about whether it could end up in legal hot water by deleting the data of the current sitting president; i.e. who does that data belong to, Twitter, the individual, or the US public? There are fairly strict laws about data retention and such when it comes to US presidents. This is what the buttery males lost their minds over, and why there have been so many legal battles about getting access to records from Trump's time in office.

Bass Reeves · 03-03-2022 09:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724126#Comment_118724126

A closed stock market has huge issues. It means private pensions funds run out if liquidity especially if they cannot access Foreign reserves. This is no check mate west.

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