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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    It is a concern that if there is starvation and chaos in various countries people will forget his attrocities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The additional concern is that he and Xi in China will control over half of the world's food.


    Food being seen as a vulgar concern in Europe but it is quite important to people.


    The impact of this war globally is much more than we currently appreciate.


    10% of the world's wheat looks like it's under threat in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Can you provide with the rest of his plan, seems as how you are privy to it?



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Vulgar concern is a good way of putting it. Also our culture has failed (and even denigrated) farming and manufacturing, while those sectors made us fat and provided us with utensils.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's hardly rocket science.


    His only advantage is his country is a global power in energy and especially in food. In fertilizer they are a key global player.


    They have it within their power to make food a global crisis.



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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This keeps being mentioned, Putin holding the world hostage using fuel/food/fertiliser, and while I don't disagree that its a possibility, it is also highly unlikely given the currency he gains from the sales of these items.

    IMHO, what is an equally likely possible outcome is many nations pivoting their energy production away from fossil fuels faster and modifying their agricultural methods while also tightening the proverbial belts. Doing this would allow for stability in their economies while at the same time further restricting access to funds for Putin.

    Safe to say there's a long way to go with this yet and there are a few scenarios that could still come true. Having a nutter like Putin at the helm means you can't really rule anything out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    We can modify agriculture here more than most, we have a lot of good land and a reasonable climate.


    Across much of Western Europe land has been whipped hard, in Asia it's incredible Fertilizer application rates that drive yield.


    Who knows but it and energy are his big aces. The Ukraine alone is a key food source for 500mn people, 200 million of whom are on the Med and need that grain for each meal.


    Who knows but if you want to reorder the world, buying favour with food, forcing EUR to deal with tens of millions of hungry neighbours etc is a good bargaining unit.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No argument at all that it's a card he could play, I just think it's unlikely, especially wrt fuel, as he can't do without the income.

    That being said, if shipping companies won't ship to or from Russia/Ukraine then it could be a case that the wheat harvest just can't be sold to global markets. This is already happening with Russian oil which has been heavily discounted but remains unsold as no tankers are going to ship it for fear of sanctions.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If that last scenario happens the chaos, suffering, and refugee waves will be borderline uncontrollable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,006 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If it doesn't get out of Russia then the globe is going to face a wave of revolution and breakdown.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    An assessment of events to date, from a group of full-timers. Hour long.

    Already a day or two out of date, mind. The only catch, these are more intel types than operational folks.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The WE again who is weee .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick



    With all the indiscriminate killing of children, women and whole families, my initial belief - like yourself and many others - was that Putin is a lunatic, mad, etc... but the reality is more than that.

    It's now my opinion that he's not mad or crazy in the sense that he's lost his marbles. The crazy that applies to him is "power crazy", just like Hitler. Both men of small stature, revelling in the control and power that leading a country affords you. Always having to go that one step further in self-confirmation of that power. Eventually wanting to control the world.

    Now here's the thing...

    They say that the eyes are a window into a persons soul. Hitler had wild, crazy eyes. And so does Putin.

    The eyes can betray a person. And Putin's eyes are the epitome of all that is evil.

    All this talk about war crimes tribunals, The Hague, life imprisonment, whatever. It's too good for him. We're not savages but he is. So when he's eventually held to account I believe an appropriate punishment should be to strip him naked and place him in a large secure hall. Let him go without food and water for 24 hours or so and sweat, then allow into the hall a few dozen of the mothers, fathers and family of some of the thousands of children and young Ukrainian soldiers and civilians who've senselessly lost their lives by the orders of this monster. Savage I know but justice comes in many forms.

    For the naysayers, doubters, Nato and USA bashers, Russian sympathisers, Putinbots and trolls who've frequented this thread.... I hope you're proud of yourselves defending a cold blooded butcher that is prepared to kill children and whole families, displace a million, and threaten the entire world with nuclear weapons.... all over his paranoia about non-existent threats, and land grabbing. Over a dozen of my family died in WW2 laying down their lives to stop Hitler's atrocities. Shame on you for defending his reincarnation.

    The clue is in the eyes...

    Feel free to quote this post as much as you want - so the trolls are constantly reminded of the evil butcher they are defending.

    There's anger, hate, malice and dread emanating from these eyes...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Polar101



    I think you're on to something there. When the Russian state controls all the media, they know what to expect from the people and they know there is no strong opposition. But it also means they can't prepare for anything unexpected - if the public opinion suddenly changes against the war (let's say they hear about the growing bodycount, or see details about civilian deaths in cities), then a large protest movement might start. Maybe not enough to topple Putin, but force him to stop the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭Scot_in_Dublin


    We have the luxury of having one or two folks here on the thread who would say that your position on this is biased. Let's see if they drop in....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    This seems to have gone largely unnoticed. Ultimatum from Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova to Finland and Sweden over their moves to join NATO.

    "It’s obvious that if Finland and Sweden join NATO, which is first of all a military organization, it will entail serious military-political consequences, which would require retaliatory steps by the Russian Federation,” Zakharova said at a news briefing Friday"

    https://news.yahoo.com/finland-sweden-brush-off-moscows-133243866.html

    Whats next, Putin invading Sweden and Finland?

    The Swedish and Finnish seem to be brushing the threat off for the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I think the question is more like:

    Considering Russia has invaded one sovereign state without any real justification; what is to stop them from doing it to other states?

    And they also have plenty of less overt options on the table such as sabotage of global infrastructure like undersea cabling, satellites, oil and gas pipelines, etc. I mean if technology companies don't want to operate in Russia and Russia blocks most of the Internet anyway then sure why would they let the world have their information economy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick



    He needs taking out, as soon as.

    I wonder about the credibility of, and if true whether it could encourage Russian assassins, regarding this Russian businessman who's supposedly put a $million bounty on Putin's head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Spain now joining the many other countries providing weapons to Ukraine.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    I've been watching CNN all week. Talk about hypocrisy and double standards, they have short memories. They have been just as bad as Putin and more in the past.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What country has CNN directed to be invaded? 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    C-130 j crossing over my house just now. Anyone in Cavan, Dundalk, drogheda, North Dublin should hear it soon.

    Heading to theatre.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The West is not moving on from this one nor are the Ukrainians. His problems will only begin once this has been "mopped up". He'll be a leader of a country under siege from the rest of the world and with an army in a country that will produce a very large insurgency, supported by a lot of weaponry from the west.

    Whatever vision he has he'll really struggle to hold it as he has miscalculated all the way through this. He'll also need to be worried about things at home as sanctions really begin to bite deeply as that's very fertile ground for a "revolution" especially when the foreign reserves begin to run out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Looks like yet another armchair warrior, standing on their pedestal, trying to tell us that any discussion on the ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by Russia is just whataboutery; and we're all hypocrites because doing so evidently precludes anyone from ever having had any concern for any other similar global conflict or wtte



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    The IOC have decided to do a U-turn on letting Belarusian and Russian Paralympian's compete as neutral countries abs both are now banned from the games. I take it the mens and womens tennis federations will now do likewise as will F1 ? It’s not that I disagree with their call, it’s that I don’t see why Russian and Belarusian tennis players who are no more to blame for the actions of their countries are allowed to keep playing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Going into week 2 now. Looking likely Odessa and the southern coast are going to be surrounded and no access to the sea

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    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Even the Chinese would take offence at being linked in that manner to Russia. Putin attempting to hold the world ransom over food is absolutely believable, China being involved in it really is not. His immediate concern is oil and eventually gas.

    Even now they are finding it hard to get buyers. If OPEC, self-serving as they are, does increase output there would cause even more constraints as would the possibility of sanctions being lifted on Iranian oil.

    In either of those scenarios the attraction of Russian oil is severely diminished along with their ability to support an economy and further his war aims. I'd expect a lot more pressure from China as this drags on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Wolf Blitzer and the rest of the CNN crew invaded a country or something.



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