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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    You want to deal in hypotheticals?

    If a Ukranian driver was forced to leave the grid so he could go home and sign up the Ukranian army, how would you feel about Nikita Mazepin being allowed to sit on his hands and continue racing while being bankrolled by the very people the Ukranians are fighting against?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,704 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    And how many people have been killed by lung cancer after getting addicted to Marlboro products? Or Rothmans? Or Camel? Or West?

    If anything pumping money into Nikita's F1 career means it's unavailable to Putin. Stop paying Nikita and they start paying Putin instead.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,144 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    They shouldn't have to go home to defend Ukraine.

    I think the FIA should either cancel Russians or let them take part. That should be the decision. Mazepin should then be free to make, or not make, any statements he wants.

    I imaginenit will be moot. His money is difficult to get and his famiy links to Putin makes him an undesirable character to have associated with the Haas brand.

    F1 should have taken a stance (and didn’t because it's not a very good organisation), but mazepin is not responsible for his country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,760 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't think you understand the scale of what's going on here.

    Uralkali is owned by Rostec which is owned by Sergey Chemezov, who is a close Putin confidante, and himself a former KGB agent and high ranking General in State Security.

    Putin uses sport and sports-washing to provide a civilised face to very uncivilised activity. The World Cup, the Winter Olympics, the Sochi Grand Prix, all are front operation to move people and money where they are most valuable to Putin. Uralkali was only in F1 because Putin wanted a presence. When that Uralkali money was taken by Haas, there was no question that the car livery wouldn't be a Russian flag.

    It's not a matter that the money going to Mazepin is better than it going to Putin, its like a bent penny in the gutter outside a bank branch by comparison to the couple of trillion dollars in commodities and foreign held assets that Putin has put in place to enrich himself and his yes men and to fund the massive military spending of the last 20 years.

    It is a matter of erasing every bit of corrupt Russian funded presence in all sport and culture and if that includes Mazepin and if it includes Danil Kvyat and his G-Drive team in the WEC, then so be it. Tough **** on them for being part of the Russian kleptocracy machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,144 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    So does thia extend to all russians or just Mazepin? After all the Russians are cancelled, the athletes, the doctors, academics, restaurant workers, care workers etc, when should they be allowed back to work?

    Nobody created this purity test for Americans and British people during their recent invasions. Why create it now, just for Russians?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I'm completely on board with your points made. If russian direct investment is basically banned, I can't see mazepin retaining his seat and hope that Haas, for all their faults, don't end up bankrupt from the rightful withdrawl of those funds.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wondering how much knowledge you have of Ireland if you couldn't guess the leanings of an Irvine. 😋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    Are you implying that we should assume his political opinions based on surname alone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Mazepin is in a unique situation where his father, and benefactor, is directly supporting the putin regime. So he should suffer the effects of those sanctions. That shouldnt affect all Russians as they're not in mazepins position



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  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'll flat out say that someone who wouldn't assume someone called Irvine from Northern Ireland's background either doesn't know or maybe is being incredibly obtuse. Like I'd be happy to guess at the background of a McGuinness, Murphy, Williams, etc. Or are we at the stage now that we have to pretend that all that knowledge and experience doesn't matter?

    BTW, not in the least having a go at Irvine. Says now he identifies as Irish but is a Rangers fan. :P There's a story (don't think ever confirmed) about him getting death threats about the Irish flag going up after he got a podium. He was happy to be seen as Irish though he has a British passport. And that's all fine, I've no issue with it. But I'm not going to pretend that I wouldn't know his background from his name.

    Then again, maybe I'm assuming too much knowledge for people not in/around NI when it comes to names etc. If so, yeah, Irvine is a name very much more associated with a particular "side" up there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,417 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    IMO it was a farce in the Olympics because at the Olympics you are representing your nation, and are part of your national team set up. Allowing them to compete is ROC was stupid because the Russian Olympic Commitee is defacto the country when it comes to the OG, as is the apparatus that was supposed to be getting punished.

    In F1, you are not. You are a driver for your team. There isn't a Russian F1 team, or German or English etc. Same for football at club level. Playing for Man United doesn't mean you are representing either England or your own Country - you are representing Man United - and afaik Soccer hasn't banned russian players from playing for non-russian teams, just banned Russian teams from playing (so a Brazilian at a Russian club can't play for them either).

    Tennis has a mixture of players playing as idividuals, mostly, but also some team related events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,144 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    If his position is so unique then The West should put sanctions on the Mazepin family. I wouldn't object to that if it's warranted. But I don't think it's up to us to place adhoc sanctions on individuals.

    The FIA has chosen self-interest over doing the right thing, as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Considering the pressure the other oligarchs are getting, like Roman Abramovic, I wouldn't say there too far off getting those sanctions. And yes the FIA have seriously dropped the ball, but they don't have a great track record when it comes to humanitarian policies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,144 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    British motorsport banning Russians and Belarusians. Would Mazepin be able to take party in Silverstone?

    Edit: problem solved.

    "It means that Russian driver Nikita Mazepin, who races for Haas in F1, would not be able to compete in this year's British Grand Prix if the team decided to keep him on. A decision on his future at the American-owned team is expected to be made imminently."




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Seen on sky sports that he wouldn't be allowed to race at the British gp by a decision by motorsport UK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,704 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Also means if Alonso or Ocon can't race in Silverstone, Kvyat can't step in. (Official reserve driver for Alpine)

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    I wonder could Mazepin get a licence from another juristiction and race at Silverstone? I doubt he would as he may not get a very warm welcome. He wasn't very popular to begin with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,760 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    An excellent decision by Motorsport UK.

    Just like FIFA before it, the FIA is going to have to be bounced into the right decision on this matter by its national affiliates.

    We may not see national bans in the Middle East races, but I'd guess that they will be in place in Australia, Italy, the US, Spain etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,704 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Hopefully Haas can sort themselves out. Otherwise 206 people will be out of a job.

    This too shall pass.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,985 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Looing forward to the new season. Hopefully more competitive racing on the track, and a lot less virtue signalling off it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,366 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Kvyat isnt the official one this year. They gave the official reserve gig to Piastri.


    I also think I remember something about Kvyat possibly taking up Italian citizenship when the ban on Russians was first being introduced, before the "neutral" became an option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,144 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Less virtue signalling? They're banning drivers from countries for political reasons (reasons which I agree with). If you're looking for less virtue signalling, you're in the wrong year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭quokula


    I'm surprised he's signed such a long 5 year contract. He's established himself as the undisputed top driver in the world, while there are zero guarantees that Red Bull will get the new regs right or will find themselves a solid engine partner after Honda. If things did go south for RB he'd be in a position to walk into any other team, and if they went well for RB he'd be able to renew regularly at his leisure. Doesn't seem to make sense to me to commit for so long in advance. If Hamilton made that kind of long term commitment when McLaren were strong he'd still be a one time WDC right now. While being tied to a team with an underperforming car is a hard situation to recover from, as we've seen with Alonso who despite his undoubted excellence has been never been in the running to get back into a top seat while far lesser drivers like Bottas or Albon have done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    I would be fairly sure there is a get out clause in there if RB produce a donkey of a car



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,260 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    An interesting take on the testing times. I think it would be great if this was remotely accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭ricimaki


    5 year contract extension for Max, that must be one of the longest extensions agreed to in this sport?

    No doubt he'll have exit clauses, but he won't be happy if the car isn't great this year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Russian GP contract terminated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,961 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    As long as Adrian Newey is there I think the car will always be top 3 at the very least.

    I'm surprised to see that they actually terminated the contract after they'd already replaced it with Turkey for the coming season. I wonder is it more to do with the effect of the sanctions as opposed to any moral conundrum they're having?



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