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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,686 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Any chance Putin might fall down a stairs or something else unfortunate like that? Surely there's some discussions in the shadows happening in the Kremlin or are the top brass utterly loyal to him no matter what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Another backward shithole with a history of backing terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,492 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    True. He's held back a lot of the army so far. I heard on the radio today that only small groups are being send into the city's. Some are special forces. The bulk of the army is held in reserve. Russia also has a considerable amount of army back in Russia. There army is huge. They spend more money on the military compared to the economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 digger1985


    If it is non-mandatory, then I cannot compare it to the Ukrainian law that I was referring to:

    The law, which obliges all citizens to know the Ukrainian language and makes it a mandatory requirement for civil servants, soldiers, doctors, and teachers, was championed by outgoing President Petro Poroshenko.

    Then, it looks like there was additional development on the language topic based on the Human Rights Watch site:

    The provision, which entered into force on January 16, is stipulated in article 25 of the law. It requires print media outlets registered in Ukraine to publish in Ukrainian. Publications in other languages must also be accompanied by a Ukrainian version, equivalent in content, volume, and method of printing. Additionally, places of distribution such as newsstands must have at least half their content in Ukrainian.

    ...

    There are concerns about whether guarantees for minority languages are sufficient. The Venice Commission, the Council of Europe’s top advisory body on constitutional matters, said that several of the law’s articles, including article 25, “failed to strike a fair balance” between promoting the Ukrainian language and safeguarding minorities’ linguistic rights. It stated that “historical oppression of Ukrainian ... may lead to the adoption of positive measures aimed at promoting Ukrainian, but this cannot justify depriving the Russian language and its speakers of the protection granted to other languages…”

    I have not heard that there are language laws prohibiting national languages in Russia. If there is something similar, please share. I have friends within the Russian minorities and we communicate in Russian, but there are people who don't even understand it and speak their national language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You just quoted a Russian propaganda site by the way. It was announced from the Canadian minister of natural resources, he is prohibiting the future import of Russian oil or any associated products. It's part of the wider package (below)

    SANCTIONS

    •  Canada has sanctioned 58 people and entities connected to Russia, including key political leaders, oligarchs and their families, as well as the paramilitary organization known as the Wagner Group and several major Russian banks.
    •  Also on the list are members of the Russian Security Council, including key cabinet ministers close to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    •  Other sanctions target members of the Russian State Duma who voted to recognize the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk, two separatist regions of Ukraine that have suffered eight years of war fuelled by Russian weapons and troops.
    •  A ban on Canadians from engaging in transactions and activities in the non-government controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk.
    •  A prohibition on anyone dealing directly or indirectly in Russia's sovereign debt in a bid to prevent that country from raising debt to cover spending costs.
    •  Measures prior to this week's actions had already targeted more than 440 individuals and entities, and have aligned with similar measures taken by allies such as the European Union and Britain. The sanctions freeze assets and prohibit the conduct of financial transactions with any entity on the list. They also impose a ban on travel to Canada to any individual on the list.

    MILITARY

    •  Canada will send up to 460 additional troops to join the approximately 800 already deployed in Europe as part of NATO.
    •  On the ground, Canada will send a battery of artillery guns and an electronic warfare group. The battle group in Latvia already includes up to 540 Canadian personnel, vehicles and equipment.
    •  In the air, the military will send a CP-140 Aurora long-range patrol aircraft to serve under NATO command. On the water, a second frigate with a maritime helicopter will join NATO's Standing Naval Forces.
    •  About 3,400 Canadian Armed Forces personnel have also been authorized to deploy to Europe should NATO require the assistance.
    •  The federal government has offered up to $10 million in weapons and equipment to Ukraine. Included in that is $7.8 million worth of lethal weapons and ammunition.

    OTHER ACTIONS

    •  Canada is cancelling existing export permits for Russia, worth an estimated $700 million in trade.
    •  Canada has provided Ukraine up to $620 million in loans to help the country counter Russian efforts to destabilize the Ukrainian economy.
    •  At the start of February, Global Affairs Canada advised Canadians to avoid all travel to Ukraine. More recently, Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly urged any Canadians in Ukraine to leave immediately.
    •  The federal government has also closed its embassy in the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv.




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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Daly and Wallace on RT last year. These two absolutely boil my blood. Two more Putin puppets masquerading as Irish representatives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    Pretty deplorable thread. Lots of tacit excitement about the war and general exhilaration masked as concern. Huge amount of cliches and ignorance regarding Russia and Russian people being thrown about too. I doubt any of you have spent any time living in Russia or speaking with Russian people. Some fairly grotesque racism on show also. It’s actually embarrassing.

    Funny, seems anything goes once people are channelled together against a common enemy. Surely ye are able to discuss what is happening like adults.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    I noticed that today. It already started. A lot of 'whataboutery', america in Iraq, Israel, 'im not a fan of putin, but...' and 'just asking questions....'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,961 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    Think it should be you ashamed of themselves to be honest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I get the nagging feeling something is going on. Russians are extremely good at misdirection in conflicts and statecraft. If it isn't, perhaps they are having a serious issue with military morale, a lot of these soldiers are green, it will be hard not to notice they are invading another country, seeing the civilians, including Russian speakers, not welcoming them at all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭storker


    Hmmmm interesting...can you cite some specific posts to illustrate:

    "Lots of tacit excitement about the war"

    "exhilaration masked as concern"

    "grotesque racism"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    The actions of NATO are pretty sickening at this point. It's akin to sitting on a wall watching a friend getting his head kicked in and saying I'd jump in and help if only you were my best mate. Listen if you survive this maybe that can happen.

    The reality is, Putin will always wave the nuclear stick and shout just you try it. And once he completes this massacre he'll move on and do it again. 10s of thousands of people will die shortly out of pure self interest. The Ukrainians should tell NATO and the EU to stick their membership up their hole if they have to go this alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I had a look and honestly, I think this is likely to be a far better appraisal of the situation and motivations: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,096 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Whilst this is good unfortunately for ordinary citizens more Chechen psychos have arrived...they have been positioned north of Kiev.

    And the child soldiers of Belarus are about to enter the war too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    A Russian pharmacy chain sent these texts out to their customers, translation below

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    "Putin stole our money and now he's stealing lives. There's a war in Ukraine. Wake up!"

    "The ruble's value might return, but our soldiers won't return from Ukraine!"

    "In 5 days, 5500+ Russian soldiers died in Ukraine."

    "In 4 days, over 350 peaceful civilians have died and nearly 1700 have been injured."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Your article doesn't really contain any revelation. I already said there was a verbal agreement which wasn't put into writing. The secret documents mentioned in your article don't seem to have much corroboration, but since they were declassified, maybe there is a PDF you can link to?

    https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/archived-secret-documents-prove-that-nato-promised-not-to-expand

    Reading a bit more on it, the assurance made to Gorbachev wasn't really about not moving into Eastern Europe. It was about not moving defensive structures into eastern Germany after reunification, which is an agreement Gorby claims was observed. He went on to say that he felt NATO expansion into eastern Europe later on violated the spirit of that agreement, but never was expanding into these countries specifically discussed at the time.

    The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it.

    Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled. The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been observed all these years. So don’t portray Gorbachev and the then-Soviet authorities as naïve people who were wrapped around the West’s finger. If there was naïveté, it was later, when the issue arose. Russia at first did not object.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I think this is a pretty good example of what Russian sports stars general thinking is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEj45my7W_s

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Strange, I don't think I blamed the "sanction bringers" for anything. I didn't even mention them. Nor did I mention Putin. I mentioned that punishing children to somehow get at their parents it morally unsound in my opinion. I don't think that is consistent with western values, not mine anyway. I am not sure that it is the child's responsibility for being pampered or not either or how it is relevant. Two wrongs do not make a right as they say. As far as I know nobody has expelled Putin's or abramovich's children and I can see why. How would they go about it even, from a legal perspective? I don't see how they could.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pcardin


    They did not. It was Medvedev waffling that they can now easlily reintroduce death penalty since Human Rights Council told them to fcuk off far and quickly. However Medved is one of the biggest clowns there and is know for saying things that are outright retarded.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    I think they are so brainwashed, that they will say the account was hacked by the west to send their propaganda and they will believe in it. The sad reality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Ah get out of that.

    What do you want to do - say "Ah Mr. Putin. Stop being a naughty boy. Oh, by the way, if ya keep giving us money we'll allow your family and friends to keep accessing all our facilities. Don't mind those oul' principle yokes - we just want those lovely rubles".

    A person in the EU on a Russian passport is merely a guest and has no rights to stay beyond what the country allows them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Nauseating rubbish. “Hopes it’ll all be over soon” code for I hope “my president “ (as he referred to him) prevails and the Ukraine get into line. Pictured and all with him previously. Say no more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭cubatahavana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Did ya know that all official EU documents must be translated to Irish? It doesn't mean Germans have to learn it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,096 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,686 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    There should be some way to recall these two. Utter embarrassment to Ireland on the European stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    This isn't true - the parliament is discussing the changing security situation in Europe, but there is no official debate regarding joining Nato. There are citizens' initiatives that support joining Nato, and the parliament will discuss those motions. But they are nowhere near discussing joining Nato.

    Finland is very bureaucratic - at best they've reached the level where they're discussing if there is any point in discussing about the option of joining Nato.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Bit like the Palestinians or the Greeks at Marathon. Too many Persians for my liking lads, lets go down the pub for a bit of craic, we can always look for a Persian dictionary tomorrow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    At this stage who cares what they do .someone just needs to obliterate putin and his henchmen. He's been a murdering tyrant for decades so it's unlikely they are going to do it.



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