Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Yurt2 · 01-03-2022 12:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711902#Comment_118711902

Probably accurate. But those countries in red probably consist of 60% of global GDP (maybe more) and are the countries that matter economically. Most critically, the Central Bank sanctions whereby they can't clear any major currency worth a damn means in effect they are walled off from the global economy.

This is about as powerful a sanctions package as possible. It's the motherload.

01-03-2022 12:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711906#Comment_118711906

Who? The Ukrainians probably don't have the airpower left and NATO can't directly intervene. The Russians probably have SAM defences set up all over the region now.

Hobgoblin11 · 01-03-2022 01:03AM

a 40 mile military convoy sounds scary,how many vehicles per mile?

Donald Trump · 01-03-2022 01:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711936#Comment_118711936

There are images of them 3 abreast. Presumably though not for the 40 miles! But even images of them in single file have them one after the other

Richard Hillman · 01-03-2022 01:05AM

There's a 40mile convoy outside Kyiv.

Is he just going to do a General Zhukov and send waves and waves into a city?

01-03-2022 01:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711901#Comment_118711901

Its the supply chain getting in place for the siege of kiev you would feel. I womder is there any way the ukrainians could use IEDs to destroy large parts of the road infrastructure to slow them.

01-03-2022 01:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711947#Comment_118711947

I'm surprised that nothing seems to have been done.

Hobgoblin11 · 01-03-2022 01:12AM

petrol bombs against this 40 mile shower of p1ss will be a massacre

01-03-2022 01:12AM

I read earlier they used Turkish drones to disrupt supplies already.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1572956/Ukraine-Russia-convoy-destroyed-drone-strike-Turkey-video-vn

Ficheall · 01-03-2022 01:29AM

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340

01-03-2022 01:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711972#Comment_118711972

I posted that just a little while ago. Bleak reading.

Ficheall · 01-03-2022 01:33AM

'tis. Easy to miss stuff in here!

AyeGer · 01-03-2022 01:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711921#Comment_118711921

True its where a lot of the economic might is but it would be nice to see a bit more solidarity from the other regions of the world. Maybe its just too distant from them to be interested enough.

arthursway · 01-03-2022 01:38AM

Russia must really be gaining air superiority around Kyiv to protect this convoy. They do possess probably the best ground to air anti aircraft/missile defense system in the world in the s400 eventhough it is largely untested in combat situations.

What we have seen of the Russian attack I fear is a fraction of what they are capable of unfortunately.

Wether they are willing to use these weapons or are able to use them effectively are two separate questions.

It is extremely difficult to just roll into dense populated urban areas where the defenders have home advantage and Putin now realises this strategy will not win him the war especially when Ukraine resistance has been so effective with its anti tank capabilities.

I don't see how he expects to occupy a whole country it is nearly an impossible feat in this day in age especially against a capable military like Ukraine with intelligence and supplies from Western countries.

jmreire · 01-03-2022 01:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711785#Comment_118711785

Well, I lived in Russia for several years, so I have some idea about the life there. I've lived in a lot of Country's and in general I could never honestly say that such and such is bad because of the Country he / she comes from. I' don't have to leave Ireland if I want to find good people, ditto not so nice people.

Russia is different though,,and if you jump straight into Russia from Ireland, be prepared for some surprises!!! I've lots of Russian friends and acquaintances, and you could not meet better. In general, Russians don't trust their government...some politician will appear on TV, and people just look and dismiss him with a look and facial expression that says BULLs**t. They have good reason not to trust their politicians, and of course the Big Boss, Putin. They are a very intelligent people, with a good sense of humour. you get to know them ( and them you) and they are fine.

But they are tightly controlled..,,,you can be stopped any time, day or night. and your documents checked. And woe betide you if they are not in order. A Moscow police station is not a place you want to find yourself in. They have powers that the Guardai here could only dream of. They (the police) have many little income generating projects going, and in one day alone, I got "fined" 3 times by 3 different policemen. It can be pain in the A**, especially if you are in a hurry. On the other hand, its the system, and people are so used to it, they just accept it.....not a thing can be done about it!! I remember at one traffic control, the man in front of me at the police table, was objecting to why he had to pay a fine. The policeman put his hand on book on the table beside him and said " There's 600 pages of Russian Road Traffic Laws here, which page do you want me to open?" Known when he was beaten, the motorist took several ruble notes out of his wallet, and in an act of defiance, threw them down on the table in front of the policeman, But unfortunately, the wind scattered them on to the ground. The policeman sat back, stared at the motorist and tapped the table, indicating put them here. When the motorist still showed a bit of reluctance, a 2nd policeman unslung his AK, cocked it and pointed it at the motorist. End of argument. Then my turn, I showed him my documents, we started chatting, he asked me a lot of questions about Ireland, and he spoke about his family, what his kids were studying in school. We parted friends.

The whole system is based on not disturbing the system...any protest, or public denouncing of Putin, is simply not tolerated in any shape or form. There's a lot of posters on this form that simply do not understand the simple Russian saying " You are free to do or say what you like. And we are free to stop you.

jmreire · 01-03-2022 01:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711458#Comment_118711458

True !!!Old Irish saying :- Hunger is the best sauce.

NSAman · 01-03-2022 01:44AM

I am normally a calm person. This is getting me more and more annoyed.

what the **** do they (the eu, AMericans etc) expect these people in Ukraine to do? Sit there and be blown to pieces?

Putin has lost the plot here. He has ended his life and the lives of millions with this insanity. Russians aren’t being told what’s happening. What is pissing me off is the political point scoring here in the US, while people die.

i know Russia has stopped social media posting, has anyone any idea how to get News into russia? People power posting on alternative sites/unorthodox ways?

Feeling annoyed, helpless and totally pissed off…sorry for ranting incoherently.

Yurt2 · 01-03-2022 01:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711999#Comment_118711999

It is deeply frustrating.

And I think you hit the nail on the head with one of the most frustrating aspects of it. The information asymmetry. Putin has carefully constructed a media and information fortress behind his borders, where dissenting or even government skeptical media is crushed (or indeed murdered) and labelled as 'foreign agents' (even when it's bullsh*t), but the noxious and paranoid Kremlin-sponsored bile of fake news and conspiracy theory is free to spread unimpeded in our open societies. Social media also kept on a tight leash on that front also. It's not North Korea, but in the European context it may as well be.

There are apparently some surviving independent media outlets that exist and persist under extremely difficult conditions in Russia and do important work. A video I was watching the other day gave links to them and they were open to donations - I'll try to dig them out.

The tax man · 01-03-2022 01:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711999#Comment_118711999

A post a few pages back mentioned posting Google reviews to Russian cafes, restaurants etc and leaving anti war messages. Most of the places I randomly checked had plenty of these "reviews" Left a few myself.

rgossip30 · 01-03-2022 02:01AM

Try asking Russians living here most are pro Putin despite what the media report here .

01-03-2022 02:03AM

Australia sending 50 million usd worth of aid. Pm mentioned missiles but said he wouldn't give specifics because he doesn't want the Russian government to know what's coming their way but said "IT IS COMING YOUR WAY"

lol awesome

jmreire · 01-03-2022 02:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711206#Comment_118711206

The millions might have ben spent, but for sure it was not weapon systems......corruption has been the single biggest problem in the Russian Military ( but TBH, its standard in every walk of Russian life

Under the circumstances, the Ukrainians would have been 100% + focused on what they were buying.

In ww2, the Russian T34 tanks gave a very good account of themselves against the German tanks, so no reason for them to do less in the Gap, if push came to shove.

But these cluster bombs were something else....theoretically, after release they should all explode on impact. But this did not happen in practice, especially with the Russian and Chinese manufactured ones, the failure % was high, and nrs of them would be randomly scattered around an area, just waiting to explode, and completely unpredictable. I saw one of them drift off course, and land in city street. It was unreal the power it packed for such a small charge.....every car parked on either side of the street was peppered with shrapnel, and so were the walls of all the buildings. Luckily, no one was injured, as every one was sheltering during the attack.

01-03-2022 02:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118712019#Comment_118712019

Not doubting what you say or claim but a bit like sky news do might be no harm to have it verified some how.

Dyr · 01-03-2022 02:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118709334#Comment_118709334

I've seen no mention of the EU or NATO supplying aircraft to Ukraine in the press, I have a feeling someone overstepped the mark when they announced that on Twitter.

Ficheall · 01-03-2022 02:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118712018#Comment_118712018

"lol awesome"?

Jfc.

01-03-2022 02:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118712021#Comment_118712021

The ukranians have planes though. Why arent they using them at the moment.

Yurt2 · 01-03-2022 02:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118712016#Comment_118712016

It's far more complex than that and I think you know it is. The media, civic society and political environment is as such that Russians exist in a type of political fugue state where all credible opposition isn't just unthinkable, engaging with it personally or sharing the sentiment among peers carries a type of risk premium that makes it not worth the bother.

When asked by nosy foreigners, or foreigners that don't mean well, or those that don't have an understanding of Russian political life if they support him, a Russian who was raised on a steady diet of Putinism will almost always automatically answer "yes, I suppose I do". Because you in asking are at the interface between their national political hostage-state on the one hand - which is painful - and their outward Russian nationalism, which most Russians possess to a greater or lesser extent. The pride in being Russian overrides the pain of their political powerlessness as individuals and clueless Johnny Foreigner gets the stock answer.

I haven't lived in Russia, and I'm far more familiar with China, but I see this exact phenomenon at play with Chinese people and the communist party. I know enough about the place that's it's almost a redundant and stupid question to ask a random Chinese person if they really support the party, because I know the answer I'll get even if privately they hold a far more complex opinion about them, or even outright oppose them. Close Chinese friends give very interesting answers to that question, but you have to know them for quite a while.

Putin will be "supported" until the day he isn't, when he'll go down in a hail of bullets or be led away in handcuffs. He's not the type of political character that will be enjoying a peaceful retirement with grandkids on his knee or on book tours around the world. He's made it that way, and it should be obvious to everyone now given the events of the last few weeks that will be his eventual fate, even if he comes out on top with this war somehow.

Strazdas · 01-03-2022 02:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711936#Comment_118711936

Military guys on CNN say it remains to be seen what is actually in this convoy and it may not be as menacing as it sounds.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-03-2022 03:29AM

A US Senate briefing on the situation was held this evening. One of the topics was on Putin's mental health.

WTF... · 01-03-2022 03:29AM

The contrast between Putin and Zelensky couldn’t be more stark. Putin sitting in a grand marbled hall like some movie villain raining death and destruction on innocent civilians. Fully protected and in no personal danger yet too paranoid and afraid to allow people get physically close to him.

Zelensky is showing tremendous bravery. Out on the streets in an active war zone putting his life at risk and fighting to save the lives of his fellow citizens while rejecting offers of personal refuge and safety in the US. Essentially showing the personal qualities that Putin craves and tries to portray through silly orchestrated strong man videos.

What a complete PR failure for Putin. He’s obsessed with the optics of everything he does and always wants to give the impression he’s in total control. In this situation the comparison with Zelensky is showing him up to be cruel, cowardly and completely inadequate.

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