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The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    It was a court case to get them out of property.

    Not sure what her partner has got to do with anything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,907 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    If ever someone had the gimp of a jailbird, he had.



  • Posts: 742 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    I feel rather sorry for that unfortunate sixth kid who will forever have to bear the stigma of her mother having announced to all and sundry that she was unplanned!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭votecounts


    Remenber this was the muppet who thought the IRA were responsible for the Dublin and Monaghan Bombing, a complete idiot



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It must really hurt that Leo has shown himself to be so much more of a decent person than Mary-Lou as he even sent her a nice congratulations on the birth.

    We have been over this ground before. Previous criticism was of Sinn Fein for selecting her. Having selected her, the way that they have treated her has been nothing short of despicable, criticism of that is also fair. But that is Sinn Fein and women for you.

    Your inability to understand the nuances of that position and keep repeating the same discredited diatribe at other posters is neither surprising nor edifying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If you think that calling a woman with an unexpected pregnancy an effin' eejit for becoming pregnant is an acceptable way to behave, well, that says more about you than anything else.



  • Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    id agree with those saying that she has always had a total bang of nutter off her and blaming SF for her now behaving like a nutter in leaving the party is like trying to have your cake and eat it too.

    every party has its lamentable disasters. i wouldnt quibble with any of them getting rid of theirs as quickly tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Why would it really hurt? Because he wished her well on the birth of her new child? What a weird thing to say. As I've said elsewhere it was decent of him.

    That's not credible. Read what you wrote here:

     Previous criticism was of Sinn Fein for selecting her.

    Why? Because she was such a stand up citizen? This thread is here for all to see. People like you have been attacking her from day one. Her husband and details of her private life were raised. That's not being critical of SF.

    Having selected her, the way that they have treated her has been nothing short of despicable, criticism of that is also fair. But that is Sinn Fein and women for you.

    Sinn Fein led by a woman in the north and a woman in the south. You've absolutely no credibility on this. Where was this concern for the woman when you set up this thread? Here's a sampler of your hate towards her:

    "Mad conspiracy theory stuff from her."

    "And then there is her history of paying (or rather not paying) rent."

    "This isn't someone without an education surviving on the breadline - she has a degree in psychology. Am I the only one to think that the people of Clare were mad to elect her a TD?"

    "He partner is named as John Montaine."

    "The only reason that people will continue to die from cervical cancer is because of the idiotic lies spread by the likes of Violet-Anne Wynne"

    Now she's left SF you have the neck to claim someone calling her an 'effin ejit' has 'crossed your humanity' (to paraphrase Maria Bailey)? Shameful opportunism from you, using women once again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    None of what you have quoted comes close to calling a woman with an unexpected pregnancy an effin eejit. All of what I said can be equally said to a man and reflects the political aspects of Sinn Fein selecting her as a candidate and not to her essence as a woman.

    However, your comparison of what I said to the effin eejit comment speaks to your attitude to women more than anything else, and it is not for the first time that it is clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus



    You are trying to use what some unnamed shinner may have said to justify you bringing in the woman's husband and saying things like, "The only reason that people will continue to die from cervical cancer is because of the idiotic lies spread by the likes of Violet-Anne Wynne".

    Not everything is dependent on what SF said or did. Stand over your words, what someone in SF might have said isn't relevant.

    However, your comparison of what I said to the effin eejit comment speaks to your attitude to women more than anything else, and it is not for the first time that it is clear.

    This is desperation. I never said I supported it. It depends on the context and who said it IMO. Chances are it was a colleague and if so, out of order. You're a great man for baseless claims. Repeating them over and over doesn't make them so.

    To be honest, Violet-Anne gives Gemma a good race for the money. Hard to pick a winner in the nut job stakes.

    "nut job", better or worse than 'effin ejit'?

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  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    “nut job", better or worse than 'effin ejit'?

    Context is everything. Referring to someone as a “nut job” in an anonymous internet post is in no way comparable to a lady with an unplanned pregnancy being called an “effin ejit” by a colleague one approaches for advice and support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 sailingaway


    Most of what you have written in relation to the process of selection of Violet Anne Wynne and Sinn Fein in Clare is incorrect In 2016 GE SF decided to run a candidate in the election. No one including Mike McKee was willing to stand. Noeleen Moran put her name forward and was deemed the candidate. To the surprise of everyone she did very well polling over 4000 first preference votes. She had been a brilliant candidate, people responded positively to her and had done the party proud. It beccame clear that there was a chance of getting a seat and following MMcK success in local elections moves were afoot to select him as GE candidate. However this would have had a major impact on morale so it was decided to go with a 2 candidate strategy. Why? Who knows but a lot of members were uncomfortable with this. It became clear to some that moves were afoot within Clare to sideline Noeleen Moran and this was stepped up following the death of Mike McKee. Some members were very unhappy and decided not to renew their membership. I was one of those. Prior to that attempts were made to highlight what was happening but the SF hierarchy ignored as they had their councillor in Shannon who incidentally was photographed more campaigning in Limerick rather than Clare!

    During the lead up to GE Feb 20 when there was speculation in Autumn 19, I am reliably told that Noeleen Moran tried to seek clarification as to what was happening and her nomination had expired in August 19. She was stalled and not given any information. Noeleen Moran continued to ask for clarification, expressed her interest but no convention or further information was available. This is just one tiny example of how Noeleen Moran was treated. When the election was called, SF arranged a convention 3 weeks before the date. Noeleen Moran reflected on this and the attempts to discredit her and decided that she could not do justice to any campaign and very reluctantly stepped away. However this was portrayed very differently by various spokespersons within Clare SF.

    My instincts tell me and I have discussed this with many others, the thinking within the 'power group' of Clare SF was that Violet Anne would bomb but of course as history shows that did not happen. They were then left with a problem, what to do about her? So the campaign began along with support from those higher up the chain. VA must go. VA has claimed that some in the local party were aware of her baggage but dismissed it when they were told. I beleive her as I witnessed first hand what they did and continue to do to Noeleen Moran. They didn't manage to bring Noeleen down as she has too much respect in the Clare community across the county.

    I listened to VA on Clare FM this morning and her story sounded familiar. Unfortuatley the baggage line was not discussed as I think is the crux of much of what happened. If she did tell some local members and they choose not to pass that upwards then shame on them. They have exploited her and set her up for much of the abuse she is now getting. Those faceless members who are trying to manipulate 2 women for their own greedy gains. Seems like female power is winning this one though.

    BTW one interesting snippet she divulged this morning is her replacement for maternity is working only 20 hours a week but getting paid for 41 and wanted overtime as well!!! I have been told he is a member of Clare SF, a member of the Munster Cuige and deeply entrenched. Talk about jobs for the boys!!!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    You efforts at comparison to justify haranguing the woman for years say enough.

    Your little house on the prairie adaptation aside. They don't cancel each other out.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’m sure that you know what you mean, I sure don’t!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    How about we say, She is an anti-vax nutjob because, well she is an anti-vaxxer... isnt she?

    Saying that she didn't deserve some shinner calling her an idiot for getting pregnant.

    People can hold both thoughts at the same time.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are posting rubbish. The above are your words. Not mine. Why bring cervical cancer deaths into this thread? Pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I will have to put this in plain language for you because you don't seem to be able to understand.

    Me saying that VAW was an unsuitable candidate because she was an anti-vaxxer, particularly anti-HPV, and was putting women's lives at risk is a fair comment because those were her views, and I would have made those comments whether she was a woman or a man.

    Now, a leading figure saying to a woman that they are an effin eejit because they became pregnant unexpectedly is a clear example of sexist misogyny. It cannot be said to a man, because men cannot become pregnant, and it is clearly bourne of old hateful attitudes to women.

    That you defend the latter and condemn the former puts you clearly and squarely in the field of defending misogyny.

    Furthermore, if you think what an anonymous poster on the internet says is more important than what a leading figure in Sinn Fein does and says, then your priorities are clearly skewed, though I am impressed by the high regard you give to my words. It is flattering of you to think so highly of my words, but I think you are somewhat misguided to put me up there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    You harangued the woman from day one. You didn't just say she was an unsuitable candidate and chastise SF, you named her husband, called her a nut job, said if people died from cervical cancer it would be because of people like her. You listed in detail what income you thought she may have gotten. You chased the idea that the charity was paid back but not by VAW and on and on.

    Now we have a colleague saying "effin' ejit", could be male or female, (it was out of order) and you are outraged about VAW being bullied. Its not believable or credible. Its opportunism and using the alledged abuse of yet another woman to push your agenda. Calling you out is not supporting or defending anyone.

    I'll leave it there. All anyone needs do is read over this thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Nothing of what I said was other than fair comment, nearly all of it was focussed on Sinn Fein for picking such an unsuitable candidate.

    Nothing I said was misogynist or sexist. As bad as you paint my comments, they are nowhere as bad as the misogynist remarks made by Sinn Fein to her.

    Your obsession with hounding other posters blinds you to the reality of the deep misogyny entrenched in the party that you give your loyalty to.

    As I have repeatedly said, there is no problem with pointing out that VAW was a completely unsuitable candidate for a general election, yet also being horrified at her treatment by the party that was stupid enough to select her in the first instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Has she joined FG yet, half expect them to offer her a ministry this morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,472 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Maybe she will get a nomination to the senate now that she is a 'good Shinner'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    What are you horrified by, someone, male or female, calling her an 'effin ejit'? Horrified? Based on your track record on this thread, your thread, I don't buy it.

    You keep saying misogyny. You dont know this was a man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Pretty sure Wynne said it was a prominent female



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭nordiestar


    The OP, created by a SF obsessed poster, who has castigated, ridiculed and mocked the TD in question, is now riding to her defence, and it's definitely not because she is saying bad stuff about the party he's obsessed with.


    L O feckin L.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,472 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Paul Williams will write a book about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    To be fair it's true though. You're all about claiming the moral high ground now to have a go at SF having a go Violet Anne whereas you were part of the big pileon against her previously. It is hypocrisy at its finest - bashing Violet Anne Wynne until thats served its purpose and then using the difficulties she has had in the last year to bash Sinn Fein. Your support now in that context seems very hollow.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,961 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    As you seem to have exceptional knowledge about the SF party do you know who bullied her out of the party? Would be curious to know.



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