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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,904 ✭✭✭eire4


    Nail on the proverbial head. I have said it before if NATO was genuinely the issue then why did Putin who was president of Russia at the time not invade the Baltic nations prior to their joining NATO in 2004. That was over 10 years after the Baltic nations regained their independence from Russian occupation and I would say that Russia's behaviour this week has shown the benefits of that decision by Lativa, Lithuania and Estonia.



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    David Starkey has a pretty good analysis of how we got to this point:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    The Russian Central bank just raised its interest rates to 20%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,432 ✭✭✭circadian


    It's a **** mouthpiece of lies it should have all funding cut off. It serves no purpose than to rile up the usual conspiracy cranks that have been lapping this **** up for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,382 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Why should it be?

    Being able to live in peace? Russia has invaded them what twice in the last 8 years....why would they listen to a word they say.



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    Surely the best way to hit Putin would be to get oil prices lower. They’re not much more than a petrol station.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    The poster that you are responding to, @gmisk is clearly victim-blaming. Ukraine is not the culpable one here, Russia and only Russia is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Thata actually a great tweet. Because the Swiss are "dont get involved HQ"


    Its really a gauge of the reaction to Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    RT has been quoted by anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorist and general loons. It spreads misinformation that is dangerous to society. Unfortunately a small but vocal cohort of the population are gullible. Maybe we will have less of this cohort believing and spreading nonsense when it is banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Going to bed last night I was really worried about that convoy. Great to see they've been held up



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Simply no. There are plenty of people and organisations who are essentially barred from television exposure and with good reason. If Gemma O Doherty were given a weekly show to proliferate her ideas, I can imagine some people would watch, but she doesn't get that because she is a kook.

    The idea that we should hear all sides is nonsense if it's not qualified. I don't want to hear from sides who are spreading their ideas in bad faith, essentially attempting to commit intellectual sabotage. That includes RT at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭Field east


    When a Ukrainian plane is shot down , slip an ‘EU’ or equivalent army uniform on the shot down pilot and you have your red flag for Sputnik to say That’s it , I am going to …………………!,,,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    I think the general reaction online is that it was a fertiliser plant blown up.

    Putin even a cnut while offering tea, using his left hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Not that these things don't pose a serious threat, but the media absolutely loves hyping up various secret weapons for Russia.

    "The Ukrainians have been doing well holding off the Russian invasion so far, but what will happen when Russia deploys CHECHEN SUPERSOLDIERS???!"

    Cut to grainy footage of guys who look like Alexei Sayle doing a Haka in the forest.

    "What will Ukrainian forces do when they have to face THERMOBARIC WEAPONS??"

    Sky News shows arcing fire graphic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Food and supplies must be a massive worry now, aid convoys need to go in. Problem is, we know from Syria that the Russians will attack them, even UN aid supplies, they are animals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    And yet none of this changed until this week. If you want to go at it from a defence point of view there is a case for all of this, but it falls flat politically and morally for the Germans. You may have your own strong views of this but retreading all of this did not ever make a case for them nor make them wrong, these new changed circumstances have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    This notion that RT shouldn't be banned because of our noble aspirations for free speech, or letting people see how ridiculous their output is is, nonsense. RT is not news, it's not information, it's nothing but absolute propaganda. And not the kind of "propaganda" some people claim RTE is; RT is propaganda specifically designed to undermine western democracy. It is a tool of Russian aggression against the West. It's used to sow misinformation, confusion and discord - that's is sole purpose. If our way of life means anything to us, we should defend against it. We need to be pragmatic, not idealistic. Doing so does not undermine us in any way.

    If Russian propaganda is a tool being wielded against us; blunt the tool.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭blackwave


    That's a big fear, particularly when it's well reported that they are extremely poorly supplied themselves so are going hungry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway



    A large amphibious landing of several battalions is expected in newly russian controlled town of Odessa southern Ukraine amounting to several thousand soldiers.

    This would almost certainly include the extremely capable russian Naval infantry (the Russian version of the US marines).

    It is believed russian units coming up from the south through Crimea have been much more successful than the disorganised columns coming from the north because they have been preparing and training for invasion as one for a considerable legnth of time and are much better equipped.

    The columns we have seen in the north having little success in the two larger cities are believed to have little to no planning or training for an invasion and have been hastily gathered from all over Russia and thrown on the front line with little fuel and supplies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    This is not a case of shutting down RT, it's the result of the deliberate aggression by Putin and being a means by which his regime delivers their propaganda message they are a target. Once this is over they can get back to whatever it is they do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    As someone’s who’s visited Hiroshima - we must do everything possible to avoid nuclear bombs being dropped. The horror of walking through the museum looking at the thousands of lives burned to dust from one blast, the city flattened and the horror of the disaster living with them to this day. Only the dome on the river partially survived the blast as a symbol of what once was.

    No one can assume Putin is bluffing. Putin is a man with nothing to lose, someone needs to infiltrate the Kremlin and fast. The world and the Russian’s themselves need to be rid of him. The problem as many others have said - will another Putin friendly head be installed and how would that improve the situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Those vaporised on impact are the fortunate ones



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    One of things that stuck with me most on the folly of a nuclear war was an old Dave Allen sketch from the 80s where an ICBM exchange is under way between the Soviet Union and the Allies. A man, played by Allen, intently listen to regular radio bulletins on the progress of the war from the relative safety of underground fallout shelter. After two weeks go by, it is announced that the Soviet Union agrees to an unconditional surrender, and the man is overjoyed. Immediately he opens the hatch of his little bunker and hops out of it, doing a jig of delight, shouting "WE'VE WON! WE'VE WON!" and laughing. His laughter and dancing soon die away when he notices there's nothing left only some ruins of buildings in an irradiated wasteland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Very true. There will be no winners if any kind of nuclear weapons are used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Some of the commentary on his threat suggests that he might launch one, a small one, to nowhere in particular just to see what kind of reaction he gets. That would be his one and only shot at it. Given by the ratcheting up of the Western and worldwide response there would be one and quite probably one he wouldn't like. He is almost fully isolated now, apart from his equally nasty puppet next door. Even China has backed off. That makes him very dangerous but also very vulnerable, The sanctions will really start to take their toll over the next weeks and months and you would expect that plans for cutting off the oil and gas is being worked on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    This whole thing kicked off when Ukraine flirted with EU membership in 2013. NATO membership is one thing, a Finland style work around could have been negotiated. But if Vlad is doing this all in the name of the Russian populations in Ukraine to protect them from their "Nazi Government" who are going to genocide them, surely he knows you can't say boo to a goose in Europe, let along Genocide them.

    They were calling to kick Poland and Hungary out of the EU because they wouldn't teach LBGT stuff in school FFS 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    RT is a Kremlin troll farm disguised as a "news station", it doesn't need any validation from the false equivalence brigade. If the Russians want to consume that bile, fine, but the world is a far better place without it. After the war is over they can switch it back on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    An ICBM? He's not going to do that as the minute he sets one off the US will press the button.

    There are many other weapons that can be classed as nuclear such as TOS-1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Unlike Hiroshima where America were provoked Russia are the only party to blame here. Now Americas response was OTT obviouslt. This now is a lunatic acting out his own sick perverted fantasies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yeah I think it is a bluff but this is one line of opinion on how he might do it. I've seen Bay of Pigs mentioned recently and there are hints of that here. There would be a response and the end of Putin and the Russian military IMO.

    Here's one piece on it and it points that it's only its nuclear arsenal that makes it a superpower.





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