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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Excellent post. On top of this think the us had known that Putrid would be invading despite his denials all along and had an awful lot of gear,intelligence, money, munitions the lot ready to roll. There may not be NATO boots on the ground there but everything else is piling in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    if that happens , its game over for everyone anyway , Putin would get taken out before that happened , most likely just tough talk

    at the end of the day , China and the USA along with Russia have the ability to bring about Armageddon but as the price is so high , nobody dares do it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    This kind of thing would be officials. Usually the leaders get involved much later and show up for the photo-op once all the details have been worked out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    So that politician that sky news spoke to in Brussels was the Norwegian minster of justice Emilie Enger Mehl.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, those two generals were looking at Putin as if he were a thermos of Vodka short of a picnic basket.



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  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    your conclusions and observations are false. If they had been driven by selfishness they'd still be running those nuclear plants which were in good working order and burning more not less lignite or coal from Poland. The cost of energy security with the Greens as a pressure group in Government demanding CO2 neutrality by 2045 are eye watering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Loads of rumours of course. But the interwebs is speculating that Putin is being spirited away to a bunker after threatening nukes.


    Could also be that he is hitting the bunker to protect himself from people near him or even a general rebellion/uprising


    Or likely could be just general rantings and bollix



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Looks like Vlad getting ready to go nuclear. At some stage the West will have to be proactive rather than reactive. If there is a chance that Putin might go to the next level then Moscow needs to be taken off the face of the map.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭reg114


    Alot of speculation online about Putin's state of mind which seems to have shifted. Ukraine has been independent for 31 years, its 8 years since the annexation of Crimea, perhaps Putins urgency has been ramped up by a health issue be it physical or mental. You can only hope that someone in his inner circle starts to see the light here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Wishful thinking. You could interpret those faces any way you felt so inclined.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Xi would be on the phone long before that , China may have gave the nod to this but they didnt sign up for armageddon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭batman75


    I'm in two minds over talks with Russia. I don't want to see Ukrainian lives lost. On the other hand Putin should be made withdraw all military equipment and personnel from Ukraine before any talks. Humiliate the sob. I hope the sanctions especially on the RCB go ahead. Putin needs to go and to be held legally accountable or killed.

    The fact that they want talks I think show that they might be in trouble with their military campaign. He expected to crush Ukraine handily and it hasn't happened. The fact that he is calling on Belarussian military to aid the campaign is both curious but may also confirm his struggle for military supremacy.

    I think Putin is panicking with the nukes talk. He knows the Russian economy could collapse following the sanctions. Irrespective the sanctions need to remain until he is gone and Russia withdraws completely from Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Armageddon?

    Time to roll out Aerosmith and Bruce Willis. Putin, your days are numbered




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    However, the US has capabilities that, even after 30 years of studying and researching their technical prowess, still stocks me. Plus they have experience in war. Trust me, if a nuclear weapon is detonated as a warning, the conventional strike that will immediately occur will set Russia back 100 years. It will be precise, military and industrial. It will completely eliminate command and control centres for Nuclear assets.

    I'm sure the nukes would be fired before command/control centres were destroyed. And I'm sure many such centres are not easily destroyed, either.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Or better yet, cool heads prevail. In an atomic exchange the planet is fúcked. Once one or two go off, that's it game bloody over, no climbing down from that.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The Germans have been shamed and frightened into it.

    Scholz didn't look at all frightened to me, he was clear and very direct. This is a huge sea change in national policy, a policy that is tied up with their history for very obvious reasons. The last straw IMO was realising just how completely duplicitous Putin has been, a very hard truth for a country that has always tried to talk to Moscow.





  • They must be thinking of turning him over at this stage. They know full well they and Russia gains nothing from launching a nuke at the west and will be obliterated off the map with a huge loss of life.

    Putin is gone **** mad and they know full well.

    As for Biden going quiet, I think his silence speaks volumes about how grave this actually is. They are strategizing and making moves in the background. A huge part of that is not to cause panic in population centres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I don't think that having him withdraw is sufficient. There would be nothing preventing him from rebuilding and trying again in a few months or a few years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Putin would get taken out before that happened , most likely just tough talk

    Do we know that with absolute certainty though? In theory he's the commander in chief, the military have to obey his orders to the letter.

    There was talk about putting 'guardrails' around Trump to stop him doing something crazy in the final days of his presidency; I'm not confident there are any effective guardrails around Putin.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Think it's pretty clear. Wasn't a 'great idea dear leader' reaction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    And hangs the fucker. You'd imagine some of senior lads in Russia are know this is madness. I think a coup could be the best hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    So was Nicholas II.


    (Although not at the time of his execution)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭reg114


    These talks are pointless, totally pointless. Putin doesnt do half measures, its pure optics and simply buying time for the Russians to reconfigure their war plan which has gone awry so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Belarus to amend it's constitution to allow Nuclear weapons to be based there.



    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    This is rapidly falling apart for Putin here, great in one sense. But as he gets more and more cornered, less and less to lose, it's scary to think what his next step can be.

    Also, despite the amazing resistance the Ukrainians are putting up, you'd have to assume they can't sustain that whilst the Russians seem to have bodies in reserve.

    The latest nuclear deterrence move means what exactly?

    Does anyone find it strange that the NATO countries are being so open about what exactly they're sending to Ukraine? They seem to be there now in all but boots, you have to wonder at what point does Putin interpret that as full on support and decide to attack NATO? It feels like we're on a knife edge really at the moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    Peace is good I’m sure it will save many lives, on the other hand Russia is faltering and if the resistance keeps up and the west keeps propping up Ukraine then Putin will be finished.

    I can’t help feel peace talks and a solution would only keep Russia in the position it is in and keep Putin in power.

    The world moving forward would be a better place with a Russia that we all get along with.


    or actually the sanctions as they are might remove him, don’t remove sanction until there is a government change in Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I presume that Putin won’t be going to the talks that are planned ? I ask because if he did then maybe the military could pull off a successful version of what was tried and failed in 1991 against Gorbachev.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    The theory is in the context of the detonation of one nuke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    He is but if those backing him in The Kremlin decide they've had enough he goes. It's been done in the past with other leaders. Putin has shown them all how to create trumped up charges to take care of people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Does anyone find it strange that the NATO countries are being so open about what exactly they're sending to Ukraine? They seem to be there now in all but boots, you have to wonder at what point does Putin interpret that as full on support and decide to attack NATO? It feels like we're on a knife edge really at the moment


    No, it's still at the stage of a proxy war. No attack would be mounted against targets on Russian soil by any member of NATO and there will be no NATO troops on the ground engaging Russians on Ukranian soil. If anything hits a target on NATO territory then that would change very rapidly and we'd all be in the sh1t. Ireland is not in NATO of course but is close geographically to plenty who are



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