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Donald Trump · 27-02-2022 02:08PM

Loads of rumours of course. But the interwebs is speculating that Putin is being spirited away to a bunker after threatening nukes.

Could also be that he is hitting the bunker to protect himself from people near him or even a general rebellion/uprising

Or likely could be just general rantings and bollix

27-02-2022 02:08PM

Looks like Vlad getting ready to go nuclear. At some stage the West will have to be proactive rather than reactive. If there is a chance that Putin might go to the next level then Moscow needs to be taken off the face of the map.

reg114 · 27-02-2022 02:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702517#Comment_118702517

Alot of speculation online about Putin's state of mind which seems to have shifted. Ukraine has been independent for 31 years, its 8 years since the annexation of Crimea, perhaps Putins urgency has been ramped up by a health issue be it physical or mental. You can only hope that someone in his inner circle starts to see the light here.

Ficheall · 27-02-2022 02:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702525#Comment_118702525

Wishful thinking. You could interpret those faces any way you felt so inclined.

Mad_maxx · 27-02-2022 02:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702541#Comment_118702541

Xi would be on the phone long before that , China may have gave the nod to this but they didnt sign up for armageddon

batman75 · 27-02-2022 02:13PM

I'm in two minds over talks with Russia. I don't want to see Ukrainian lives lost. On the other hand Putin should be made withdraw all military equipment and personnel from Ukraine before any talks. Humiliate the sob. I hope the sanctions especially on the RCB go ahead. Putin needs to go and to be held legally accountable or killed.

The fact that they want talks I think show that they might be in trouble with their military campaign. He expected to crush Ukraine handily and it hasn't happened. The fact that he is calling on Belarussian military to aid the campaign is both curious but may also confirm his struggle for military supremacy.

I think Putin is panicking with the nukes talk. He knows the Russian economy could collapse following the sanctions. Irrespective the sanctions need to remain until he is gone and Russia withdraws completely from Ukraine.

Donald Trump · 27-02-2022 02:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702555#Comment_118702555

Armageddon?

Time to roll out Aerosmith and Bruce Willis. Putin, your days are numbered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujMxXOHJloI

27-02-2022 02:13PM

However, the US has capabilities that, even after 30 years of studying and researching their technical prowess, still stocks me. Plus they have experience in war. Trust me, if a nuclear weapon is detonated as a warning, the conventional strike that will immediately occur will set Russia back 100 years. It will be precise, military and industrial. It will completely eliminate command and control centres for Nuclear assets.

I'm sure the nukes would be fired before command/control centres were destroyed. And I'm sure many such centres are not easily destroyed, either.

Wibbs · 27-02-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702541#Comment_118702541

Or better yet, cool heads prevail. In an atomic exchange the planet is fúcked. Once one or two go off, that's it game bloody over, no climbing down from that.

is_that_so · 27-02-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702514#Comment_118702514

The Germans have been shamed and frightened into it.

Scholz didn't look at all frightened to me, he was clear and very direct. This is a huge sea change in national policy, a policy that is tied up with their history for very obvious reasons. The last straw IMO was realising just how completely duplicitous Putin has been, a very hard truth for a country that has always tried to talk to Moscow.

27-02-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702525#Comment_118702525

They must be thinking of turning him over at this stage. They know full well they and Russia gains nothing from launching a nuke at the west and will be obliterated off the map with a huge loss of life.

Putin is gone **** mad and they know full well.

As for Biden going quiet, I think his silence speaks volumes about how grave this actually is. They are strategizing and making moves in the background. A huge part of that is not to cause panic in population centres.

Donald Trump · 27-02-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702560#Comment_118702560

I don't think that having him withdraw is sufficient. There would be nothing preventing him from rebuilding and trying again in a few months or a few years

Loafing Oaf · 27-02-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702517#Comment_118702517

Putin would get taken out before that happened , most likely just tough talk

Do we know that with absolute certainty though? In theory he's the commander in chief, the military have to obey his orders to the letter.

There was talk about putting 'guardrails' around Trump to stop him doing something crazy in the final days of his presidency; I'm not confident there are any effective guardrails around Putin.

27-02-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702547#Comment_118702547

Think it's pretty clear. Wasn't a 'great idea dear leader' reaction.

27-02-2022 02:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702542#Comment_118702542

And hangs the fucker. You'd imagine some of senior lads in Russia are know this is madness. I think a coup could be the best hope.

Donald Trump · 27-02-2022 02:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702574#Comment_118702574

So was Nicholas II.

(Although not at the time of his execution)

reg114 · 27-02-2022 02:18PM

These talks are pointless, totally pointless. Putin doesnt do half measures, its pure optics and simply buying time for the Russians to reconfigure their war plan which has gone awry so far.

brickster69 · 27-02-2022 02:18PM

Belarus to amend it's constitution to allow Nuclear weapons to be based there.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/26/belarus-constitutional-referendum-vote-russia-nato/

Lawlesz · 27-02-2022 02:19PM

This is rapidly falling apart for Putin here, great in one sense. But as he gets more and more cornered, less and less to lose, it's scary to think what his next step can be.

Also, despite the amazing resistance the Ukrainians are putting up, you'd have to assume they can't sustain that whilst the Russians seem to have bodies in reserve.

The latest nuclear deterrence move means what exactly?

Does anyone find it strange that the NATO countries are being so open about what exactly they're sending to Ukraine? They seem to be there now in all but boots, you have to wonder at what point does Putin interpret that as full on support and decide to attack NATO? It feels like we're on a knife edge really at the moment

XsApollo · 27-02-2022 02:19PM

Peace is good I’m sure it will save many lives, on the other hand Russia is faltering and if the resistance keeps up and the west keeps propping up Ukraine then Putin will be finished.

I can’t help feel peace talks and a solution would only keep Russia in the position it is in and keep Putin in power.

The world moving forward would be a better place with a Russia that we all get along with.

or actually the sanctions as they are might remove him, don’t remove sanction until there is a government change in Russia.

Itssoeasy · 27-02-2022 02:19PM

I presume that Putin won’t be going to the talks that are planned ? I ask because if he did then maybe the military could pull off a successful version of what was tried and failed in 1991 against Gorbachev.

greenpilot · 27-02-2022 02:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702563#Comment_118702563

The theory is in the context of the detonation of one nuke.

is_that_so · 27-02-2022 02:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702574#Comment_118702574

He is but if those backing him in The Kremlin decide they've had enough he goes. It's been done in the past with other leaders. Putin has shown them all how to create trumped up charges to take care of people.

Donald Trump · 27-02-2022 02:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702594#Comment_118702594

Does anyone find it strange that the NATO countries are being so open about what exactly they're sending to Ukraine? They seem to be there now in all but boots, you have to wonder at what point does Putin interpret that as full on support and decide to attack NATO? It feels like we're on a knife edge really at the moment

No, it's still at the stage of a proxy war. No attack would be mounted against targets on Russian soil by any member of NATO and there will be no NATO troops on the ground engaging Russians on Ukranian soil. If anything hits a target on NATO territory then that would change very rapidly and we'd all be in the sh1t. Ireland is not in NATO of course but is close geographically to plenty who are

Hobgoblin11 · 27-02-2022 02:22PM

there will be a night of the long knives in Moscow, a putsch

is_that_so · 27-02-2022 02:23PM

In Greece the first of two military transport planes, loaded with defence equipment, has departed from Eleusina for Ukraine. Portable rocket launchers, ammunition and Kalashnikov rifles will be aboard the two C130’s. The shipments will be delivered via Poland.

uptherebels · 27-02-2022 02:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118700992#Comment_118700992

You don't seem to be reading anything.

You don't understand that you can't just drop off 3000 troops.

You can't backtrack from this ignorance.

thomil · 27-02-2022 02:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702563#Comment_118702563

Apart from the points that you mentioned, a big concern of mine is the presence of Perimetr or "Dead Hand". Russian and Soviet leaders have been scared sh*tless about a decapitation strike since the 1960s and have tried to insure themselves against it. That is why Moscow is protected by what is likely the most powerful ballistic missile defense system on the planet.

Perimetr is another aspect of this fear. Details about it are scarce in the west beyond confirmation that it exists and is operational, but in essence, it is a semi-autonomous computer system that is designed to ensure a second strike is launched even if the entire political and military leadership of the country is eliminated. Once activated, release control for a retaliatory strike is delegated from the Kremlin to a dedicated command bunker whose exact location is unknown but likely to be somewhere in the Ural Mountains. There, a computer system will survey sensors all across Russia for signs of nuclear blasts and when these are registered, and contact with Moscow cannot be made, the computer will signal a retaliatory strike. Now, the actual push of the button still needs to be done by a human crew as a final safeguard, but that will just be a two man crew in that bunker. Once they decide to go ahead with the strike, a ballistic missile carrying radio equipment will be launched on a predetermined trajectory that leads it over any missile fields still operational and broadcast a radio signal triggering an automatic launch of any remaining ICBMs. In effect, it's a doomsday machine.

Busi_Girl08 · 27-02-2022 02:28PM

It's so striking the difference in the president and foreign minister etc in Ukraine vs Putin when you see them speaking to their nations. The latter is hidden behind a big desk slumped over on a gold throne, while the former speak confidently, passionately standing tall front and centre. Speaking directly to the listener.

dasdog · 27-02-2022 02:28PM

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kulebanot not mincing his words. Pretty much calling out Mario Draghi and Viktor Orban for limiting SWIFT sanctions. And then this:

"Russian oil and gas now contains Ukrainian blood"

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