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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,301 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Well, the alternative is to allow him to continue what he’s doing now and take over Ukraine.

    I mean it’s not like the US don’t have a history of being experts in regime change.

    Surely putin will be exposed as a war monger if the proper information (the truth) gets to the Russian population.

    It’s not like the Russians don’t have a history of revolution either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Those weapons are likely to arrive very quickly and suggest yet another miscalculation on Putin's part. Ukraine not rolling over must be sticking in his craw and the West about to start fighting him in a move right out of his own playbook even more.

    It still might not be enough for what's happening now but it will make subduing the country almost impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Can you imagine the conversation on that plan I'm serving the Great Vladimir the 1st let me in ,no go **** yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    They have halted nothing. Troops still piling into the Ukraine. If a Russian official or Media outlet say something the default position is they are lying.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭zv2


    There are many Russians with cell phones living outside Russia.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    I know Gatling, I you know that I was the one calling the Russian military a paper tiger that would be utterly destroyed by eastern european NATO troops without US assistance, but even at that I actually expected them to a lot better in Ukraine then they appear to have done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,301 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Exactly.

    The last time a dictator halted a blietzkreig like this was Dunkirk which was the start of the end for that particular piece of trash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Look at the wooded area, this is easy to set ambushes and have deadly kill zones set up. Same thing happened to the Germans in the east in WW2 in places like this. You can easily hit and run if needed to. Tough to fight in if an invader. Be the same if this happened in Russia today. Be tough for any attacker against defenders in this set up in this sort of terrain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭growleaves


    If you mean confiscating wealth of any Russian person that's just stealing. It's a bit squalid and not really an 'economic' measure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,195 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    From the Guardian Live Blog

    Meanwhile, Lithuania will also close its airspace to Russian airlines at 10pm GMT on Saturday due to the invasion, the government said, blocking access from Russia’s Kaliningrad enclave to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Given the state of Russia vehicles, how many of those nukes are actually in working condition. If they can't afford to maintain their APC's properly then it is logical they haven't maintained their nukes either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,524 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I’m sure Russia are well aware of this.


    I think people are getting ahead of themselves thinking Russia are a poor army.


    They and Putin have been preparing and planning this for years.


    Unfortunately it’s only a matter of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Thats what I am saying Gandalf. Kremlin said they ordered a halt, but they did not. They were stopped by the Ukrainians and the ordered halt was the cover up for a military failure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    I cannot understand what exactly Putin's motivations were for launching this all out invasion. Their economy cannot afford the sanctions, Russian people are not fully supportive of the Ukrainian invasion, the fallout from the invasion after so many diplomatic efforts trying to prevent war will be colossal for Russia. What does he gain bar a costly war with never ending insurgencies? Did his Diplomats worldwide know a full scale invasion was on the cards or were they told it was just 'military drills'? Such a perplexing move by Putin. Perhaps he's gone mad during the Covid pandemic.

    The Ukrainian people are admirable in their courage, determination and strength. But I would hope all sides pick a route that limits the loss of life and the destruction of a big European country. Humanity showing its best side on the borders welcoming in Ukranian's and offering them food and shelter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I still wouldn't right them off just yet ,they have about 70k professional and well equipped vanguard troops, theses were the ones I expected to see ,we seem to be getting more conscripts and feck all supplies ,and the Chechens arriving isn't a good sign ,

    Or are units refusing to go to Ukraine which could suggest a split



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,115 ✭✭✭thomil


    Not only that, but they continued to try to bring in airborne troops even though they were going in against an alerted enemy that was awaiting them and in the face of an at least partially functional air defence system. Just look at what happened at Hostomel during the first day of the war, or the downing of another Il-76 last night. They completely underestimated the resistance facing them and seem to be getting increasingly desperate. While bringing in heavy weapons will certainly make things more difficult for the Ukrainian defenders, those tanks will be going in against an alerted and entrenched enemy. And tanks are notoriously vulnerable in urban combat situations. I think that rather than bringing them closer to victory, this move will simply bring the Russian forces into a deeper circle of hell.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭batman75


    A long column of Russian tanks heading for Kharkiv. This must mean Russia is controlling some air space?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,898 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Well I'd be hoping it won't be for another 30-40 years at least...

    Rather than fomenting a popular revolution to overthrow The Impaler, I wonder if it might be more propitious to discreetly encourage some sort of 'palace coup'. Is it possible the CIA (or whoever) have established some sort of back channel to Russian Military leadership to urge them to block Putin if he tries to take the world to hell...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Why did he do it? If you want a glib answer, probably because he could



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,300 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Since tanks started to be used as weapons the quickest way to move them from a to b is by road convoy. Problem is it is easy to destroy a column of tanks on the road. Just hit the first and last tank and the rest are trapped and can be destroyed at leisure. Tanks are useful against tanks, and infantry without anti tank weapons. They are not the decisive weapon of war that they once were, like battleships in world war 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The Russian Ministry of Defence has criticized the Ukrainian government for handing out weapons to civilians, saying it “will inevitably lead to accidents and casualties.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Snails pace


    Probably a New Holland. Had the tyres on machinery I own. Absolutely brutal but they are cheap. A lot of tyres on agri machinery in Ireland and the UK come from India



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    If you are talking about the Oligarchs then their wealth was stolen from the Russian people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well if you look at the likes of North Korea, it appears that money can be priortised for maintaining the bigs guns even when the people are starving. I'd imagine Russia prioritise keep their big guns ready and maintained



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,195 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It's long been speculated in the western intelligence community for at least 20 years that most of them are not even operable. Then again, Putin, at least publicly, has been talking for years about big upgrades and super weapons.

    You'd have to say, based on what has been seen so far, it's not a good image of the Russian military equipment wise.

    We could be in a false reality there though. Maybe they are holding back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,707 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I think he thought he could have a speedy war, that it would go like clockwork and that he would emerge from it even stronger. So far, the indications are that the invasion is not going to plan at all and the backlash from the international community is absolutely massive, more than he could possibly have anticipated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Don't count on it. I have a feeling the higher ups in the Russian command don't give a toss about their troops.

    FS they put Anti-Riot Police into frontline confrontations earlier in the day and they were massacred.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I think you may be right sadly. I just don't think the Russians will be staying in Ukraine for long afterwards if they do win, not with the arms and materials getting across to Ukraine and the will of the resistance. A lot of places to hide in and attack from. I say even America would of had problems fighting here in the environment, a lot different then fighting in the middle east, would be more urban areas and desert there while in Ukraine with a lot of urban areas, forests etc. to strike from. More I'm surprised with some of the tactics Russians are using like if they lost 2 planes full of airborne troops maybe don't try and put 2nd plane down near where 1st 1 got shot down, drop airborne troops etc. further afield. Least there alive and fighting and not dead amongst the wreckage.



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