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Housing Madness

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭BattleCorp1




  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you don't understand what you are talking about, then I agree there is no point with anyone talking to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Plenty refugees got council houses that I know of. Sorry social housing.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21




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  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TBF, there is just one status for refugees, and this refugee.

    Our housing problem is not caused by any immigrants into this country, visa holding, EU/UK citizens, refugees or asylum seekers. It's much more then that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,783 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...but to be fair, the scary foreigners are a hell of a scapegoat though.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭BattleCorp1


    The only cause of our housing issue is that we aren't building enough houses/apartments and haven't done so for the best part of the last 15 years. No other cause.

    We need the Councils to go back building housing estates. Private development won't ever fix this shortage of housing problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You are really not aware of fake refugees in Ireland? How does a person travel through countries they can seek refugee status and come to Ireland instead? Arriving on flights having "lost" there passports between getting on and off the plane. Many people claiming refugee status are economic migrants and some are actually wealthy in their own countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,682 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Also bring vacant stock back into habitation as outlined in Housing for All. Should be quicker than new builds. Anyone with no family or economic links in say Dublin coming into the country, could be housed anywhere there is vacant stock. Dublin especially is where there is the most pressure on accommodation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Really dumping a refugee into some rural location seems reasonable to you? They do need some help integrating and connections to their own culture. I doubt they will be welcomed by the locals either



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dxhound doesn’t want to hear it. We’ve already had pages of why the substantial part of the vacant property stock is utterly unsuitable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭AySeeDoubleYeh


    nah we've had pages of a handful of people with vested interest stating, without anything to back it up, that the substantial part of the vacant property stock is utterly unsuitable



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They don't 🙄

    None of that happens with refugees. Seriously do people not actually know the difference in refugees and asylum seekers?

    There is no such thing as fake refugees.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm from a small rural town that recently housed asylum seekers in an old apartment complex that has been lying empty for approx 15 years. Best thing ever. Cannot see any negatives



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    They do. How does somebody from Nigeria get to Ireland and claim they are a refugee? So no asylum seeker has ever lied according to you because that is what they are until they are classed as not a refugee. If you are making the pedantic point about the difference of people being moved as refugees as opposed who arrive uninvited you are still wrong because people have managed to get into refugee camps who were not refugees. It isn't really part of the housing issue either way but nobody ever said all refugees claims are legitimate until you. Every NGO knows this but you somehow deny reality that there is no way people are/can and do lie and get away with it. It is an insane claim



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Are they handy at laying a few blocks we need labour. We have a faux housing crisis.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    An asylum seeker is not a refugee.

    They are two different things. Yes asylum seekers travel to different countries and claim asylum.

    If a refugee is accepted into a refugee program, then they are a refugee. Such as the recent arrivals from Afghanistan. Other refugees are interviewed in refugee camps by Irish people who decide whether or not to bring them under existing refugee programs into Ireland. They are refugees.

    If an asylum seeker has their claim for asylum upheld, then they may receive refugee status. They are refugees.

    There is literally no such thing as a fake refugee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,682 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If you know some way to give the all new builds in Dublin, let us know. The idea in future is that everyone will have Own Door accommodation.

    I don't recognise the concept of Dumping, it is just housing. And how do you know what welcome they will get? I have heard of local initiatives in rural areas to encourage incomers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,682 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It's not just me. It's part of the Housing for All plan, they see a use for vacant houses. I don't see why it is being dismissed out of hand, in favour of new builds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    We are accepting 6,900 refugees under two programmes.

    https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Irish_Refugee_Protection_Programme_(IRPP)

    Clearly, housing these 6,900 refugees is, and will, add to the demand for housing.

    Are they the main cause of the housing crisis? No.

    Are they adding to demand, and so contributing to the crisis? Yes


    Please note: these 6,900 refugees are separate from the bogus AS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    There is no such thing as a "fake refugee".

    But there are thousands of people making bogus asylum claims, trying to become refugees, while in reality they do not deserve that status.

    For example, the Nigerians, who after making a bogus asylum claim, and being given either refugee status, or leave-to-remain, then return to the place that they earlier said they are fleeing from!!

    Or the hundreds of Asian men, making bogus asylum claims, ang engaging in sham marriages to eastern European women.

    Or the Albanians, Georgians.

    And so on, and so on.

    I sometimes wonder - are there actually any genuine AS at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    I knew several refugees who got the pup



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    6,900 refugees between 2015-2023, not even a ripple in the housing market I would suggest.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    but….but….immigrants….something something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    So I was correct you were being pedantic. Even with that you cannot state that none are fake. All you can say is they were vetted and believed to be genuine not state it as fact.

    BBC are lying?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Juran


    The city council bought a 3 bed estate house recently next door to my cousin. They paid over 300k for it. Weeks later a Nigerian lady with 2 teenage children moved in. The builders arrived the following week and installed new bathrooms, new kitchen & applliances, new flooring through out, new composite front door and new steeltech shed. Builders were telling my cousin that she was paying for the revamp herself, as she ackowledged that this would be her house for life. She did a lovely job of the house, keeps the outside tiday, nice flowers, lawn, etc. My cousin doesnt think she works as she comes home after school drop offs, but he's not sure. My cousin said they are a very quiet family (my cousin is relieved a family of scangers didnt move next door).

    Lots of other neighbors in the same estate are young families, both irish and immigrant families, who go out to their jobs everyday, offices, hospitals, factories, building sites, etc, and fork out €1,000 a month or more to rent their house.

    I would like to see my tax money going towards those lower income families as well. They deserve a social house as well, or even more the fact they go out to work everyday and keep our country going. Remember the worst of Covid, a lot of these men and women who cant get social housing were the ones who cleaned the hospitals, who worked at the shops/supermarkets, who drove the lorries and buses. We shouldnt forget that, ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You just described a lot of jobs that didn't close down as opposed to ones that did like coffee shops, restaurants, childcare etc...

    The shops were open and the drivers were able to work.

    We as a country are obligied to take in refugees as part of international agreements that allow our country to have free trade and earn money. I see no issue with that.

    Your story doesn't really add up because the first thing councils have to do is refurbish the building to their standards to rent it out. That is actually one of the issues with delays from councils. There is a 28 unit place near me the council bought and they have gutted it even though it is less than 10 years built with working appliance. Just dumped it all. For this reason I think your story is untrue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Well thats an idiotic statement to start. What's a "vested interest" and how do you determine people you don't agree with supposedly have them? If you would like proof of vacant properties in dire condition around the county, simply take a drive and look around you. In the area I live approx 2 out of 4 older vacant houses are in such poor condition, that they would require to be brought back to the four walls and rebuilt to make them habitable and brought up to present building standards.

    There's very good reasons why many vacant properties are vacant. As above, many are old, may require substantial rebuilding and or remodeling and some just require bulldozed. This idea that there's loads of flowers around the door, vacant but ready to move in "forever homes" to be handed out is complete and utter nonsense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Juran


    You can chose not to believe it, its 100% true. Plenty of people in council houses decorate it themselves, and buy their own appliances and furniture. This house was in very good shape when the council handed it over, the decor was a bit outdated, but no reason for the council to replace kitchens, bathrooms, etc.

    The thread relates to housing needs, ie. Those who need it and deserve it, not about accepting refugees or aslyum seekers Mr Palmer.



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