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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Bad stuff happening. Taliban muppet "republics" formally appealed to Russia for military assistance. Russian aircraft allegedly penetrated Ukranian airspace. Kharkiv airport closed. At least 4 large Russian columns (never know if I'm spelling that right) on the move. Radio intercepts from muppets claiming plan starting tomorrow (which could be post midnight there, 2+ hours ahead of us).

    Have followed lots of seemingly in the know folks of late, all saying bad omens. Confirmation bias, maybe, but the pressure has to come off at some stage. Troops can't live out of vehicles *at the border* forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Bad stuff for sure There will be a serious loss of life if they want to take the cities.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, Russia also doesn't have precision munitions like western military's so you can imagine what happens if fighting goes into urban areas.

    Second airport closed, Dnepropetrovsk.

    Catherine Connolly went on a rant about NATO in the Dail, the fúcking left in Ireland is unhinged when it comes to NATO. Glad I never threw her a preference.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Going from bad to worse. Airspace now being closed Eastern/ North Eastern border Ukraine. Zelensky tried to call Putin, no reply. Rumour has it 2am our time fighting will commence.



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    Unconfirmed reports of strikes in two Moldovan cities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    There's going to be millions of people heading west in a short time. Hard to blame them for the amount of help they received from Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Add Mick putin Wallace along with her.

    So anti American became pro Russian. Not an ounce of middle ground looked for.

    All these should have full audits done on themselves and family members.

    Even the most apologist for Russia admitted they've fingers in pies everywhere and how millions were spent disrupting US elections, etc. It wouldn't be beyond the Pale now that a few shekels was being moved this way. Almost guaranteed with what we see now.

    Edit: Maybe they were pro Russian all along first and the anti American was the play all along to show sovereignty and be part of it. ...(getting like the 60's again. Reds under the bed.)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,124 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Russia has an absolutely tiny economy for it's size but what it does sell it tends to be globally dominant and it tends to be vital so they have us by the bollox.


    Putin is sore at Lenin for how he laid out the Ukraine in 1917. NATO is a smaller part in this and a recent addition to the problem.


    The ECB doesn't give much reason to hope that they will be able to manage or understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Hands up never thought putin actually going to go off the deep end, his address this morning, showed he's truly gone psychotic....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    I think this is the only card he had to play. Is he going in to take over Ukraine or is he going in to undermine the whole western economy who would not concede anything re Ukraine joining nato.

    He has to give a bit of a performance to draw out sanctions from the west that will damage our economies far more than his



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    Remember when Russia took Crimea in 14. The west put massive sanctions on them. At the time dairy products were exported there but stopped. Am I right in saying Russia imported a lot of Agri products, even grain, at the time, and Russia went from a net importer to a net exporter? So all the sanctions really done was make Russia look in house and develop it. In the intervening years they exported a lot of Angus heifers there, no doubt building up there herds.

    They are one robust nation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,963 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Russia economy depends on the exports of commodities. Basically Gas, oil, lumber, grains and coal. It produces virtually nothing except military armaments and some fertlizer. It cannot survive a long-term embargo if the west is willing to go the whole hog against it.

    These are still industries. Capable of being upscaled very fast. It's all down to political will and what the Western democracies are willing to do. Are we willingly to ostracize Russian. Squeeze the life out of it. Freeze the wealth of Russian oligarchs, send them from.thete Chelsea and Mediterranean home back to Moscow.

    Any type of war economic or physical is won by those will to endure the most to an extent. The cold war was won by the inability of the USSR to continue spending on military output and it was way less than 50% of US spend.

    Not being critical but nobody should assume that a dictator is anything but a dictator. We have never had a do called benevolovelent dictator. As they are longer in power there paranoid and ego's get to them. You only had to watch Putin humiliate one of his senior aids.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/english.elpais.com/opinion/2022-02-23/the-russian-spy-boss-humiliated-by-putin.html%3foutputType=amp

    This happened at one of his staged television cabinets meeting

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    It all stems from the 2014 uprising and the Russian leaning government been ousted, had this not occurred and the status quo remained in place as a semi-quashi Russia puppet Putin would of had no reason to lose his sh*t.....

    Zelenskyy betted on the EU/America coming good and defusing the situation but it didn't play out that way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭epfff


    I know very little about the area and its politics but I do know some Eastern Europeans here that have allegiance towards Russia.

    I am wondering how much support is there for Russia/Soviet Union on the ground in the Ukraine?

    I believe very little in the media at the moment they all seem to have motives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    What a frightening post. What do you mean by this is the only card he had to play? You make it sound like a game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    That meeting was the point I knew the game was lost, the best way to hit putin is to destroy the Russian oligarchs financially and remove all their rights to access western society, if they get pissed of enough they might turn on Putin and we could see him being removed, whatever takes place the EU needs to abandon any notions of co-operation with Russia going forward, you could even add China to that list, self suffiency be it power/food/ manufacturing is going to come to the fore and their green new deal aspirations need to be shelved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,124 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The Great game, as it was known historically. He is correct though, this was the only option for Putin to achieve his goal.


    War is politics from the barrel of a gun.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,963 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What separate states. All the Baltic States are in NATO lucky for them. Belarus is only pro Russian because it is ruled by a virtual dictator who intends to change laws to let him I. Power to 2025. Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine were left stranded in no man's land by the EU and NATO.

    Russia hierarchy fears democratic successful countries on it border.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭White Clover


    What he has done is totally unacceptable. It is to anyone that utterly abhors dictators.

    Putin, a dictator achieving a personal goal like this should not be tolerated.

    If Russia wants to be accepted as a normal country again, it needs to go the path that Japan followed after WW2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    If russia and the other eastern countries were fully democratic. They would resemble Argentina.

    Loaded with foreign debt, unstable currency and best case scenario no better off than they are now. America would see to it, no different to how it made a mess of south America



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is utterly depressing

    Anyone continuing to make excuses for Russia are as bad as their soldiers in Ukraine in my book



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    81 million people voting for a doting old man has consequences. So much for the adults being back in charge.

    Also it's probably best not to listen to bratty teenagers anymore and put energy and food security near the top of your priorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭straight




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,258 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    The only question we here in Europe need to ask is how much of an impact on our lifestyle s are we prepared to accept tosupport the ukraine.i wouldn't hold my breath if I was in the Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,479 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    He kinda boxed himself into a corner where he had to invade to some degree otherwise he would lose credibility in future if it turned out he was just bluffing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Do you mean American voters. How can this invasion be the consequence of that election



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Isn't it amazing Putin took Ukrainian land under Obama and is back for more now his vice president is in power. Weakness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,086 ✭✭✭alps


    Some treatment being dished out to the Russians in Donetsk and Luhansk by the Ukranians (whether official, or military acting the ####ix) over the last 8 years.

    Interesting alternative views on Live RT TV channel if you can locate it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Wouldn't be using RT as a news source here. That would be the Russian perspective only and discussing how they are peacekeepers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    We've been bombarded with American lies and propaganda since we were all in nappies. While Russia might not be telling 100% of the truth. It's very naive to be thinking our media is giving us the unbiased truth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Well yeah , everyone has a bias , and you look at who's paying the piper and what's they're angle - it gets worse when you realize that many media sources are just copying each other's articles -

    But Russia does not allow dissent in their media .. RT is purely a tool of the Russian state - who've been building up to this conflict since 2014 ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Out of curiosity, were you this worked up by conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, conflict in yemen sponsored by the saudis, china's treatment of the uyghurs, israels treatment of Palestinians, invasion of iraq/Afghanistan or any other conflicts?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,124 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I've a friend married in Russia, says the news there is unreal, complete fiction and brazenly so.


    People there didn't even know about the build up of Russian troops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,963 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I would not accept that. Lithuania, Estonia or Latvia are all fairly stable states. Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova are all effected by Russian aggression.

    There is no indication that if Russia had continued to follow a democratic path after Yeltsin that it would be any worse than today. With it natural resources it should be a much more wealthy country.

    It's about 1.5% if the Irish Republic land mass. Looking at some of the effected land in West Limerick and karts of Kerry 50-70% of farmers in those area's will be taking the mobey

    That a lot of rubbish from a station which is a voice piece of the Russian state. Last year Putin started the closures of the last of them


    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/russian-news-outlet-open-media-says-blocked-by-state-media-watchdog-2021-08-04/

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Same as ww2 then, how did there get to be so many 'citizens' in other countries.

    I think you'll see energy self reliance become a big agenda with cooler nuclear power being pushed to the front, green agenda put more carrot than stick and the shackles taken off the bundeswuher. Possibly even an economy not based around if you think your dogs therapist approves of the gender you gave it woke nonsense and buying cheap shyte from china that's dumped the next day. Anti tank berms along Nato's border with the scandinavians quitely joining and pre prepared tank(the few that are left) emplacements so if you have a D10 or 11 time to make a few quid. Fabian tactics likely employed with the americans eventually potentially getting a competent president(rather than at the start of a new one) now there's a threat and event that's made everyone stop and think for the 1st time in near decades as despite the endless resources Russia lacks manufacturing with Religon also likelly to start causing fun in the southern regions. China might take the resources but absolutely not allow competition to use them.

    It's the rare elements like polladium that's the issue. Aside from the hyperbole, the Russians are terrified of American air power as it's nearly 2 generations ahead. If the cv battle groups and in-air refueling fleet move towards Europe ****'s about to get real. Kalliningrad with it's battery of illegal missiles could do an amount of damage hoping MAD keeps things sensible. You don't need many boots anymore when enough computer power and a few targeted guided bombs puts your country into the stone age dreaming where the FFFF did you leave the pens and paper in the dark.

    They've been having scraps in Syria for years with 'advisors-special forces types' and Wagner group etc for years. Until the fancier Us jets arrived and cleared the sky and the Russians retaliated a few days later to save face. Eg. Battle of Kasham which the Russian journalist who tried to report it was offed by the state for ruining the veil.

    The rest of the world will be simply keeping heads above water as things get expensive for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    It's illegal to protest in Russia.

    Doing so gets you into a Russian prison.

    Saying that over the thousand could be over the two thousand people have been arrested today protesting against the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    That's unheard of in Russia.

    Putin as a living being is on borrowed time you'd have to think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    I'm interested in what Dawg says after against Nato expansion a few days ago. I do think that with the west calling out putins military exercises, it could have actually triggered this attack, as he would have looked very weak to back down



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This isn't about NATO. Putin was going to invade. Intelligence worked to a point, it foiled many false flag attempts. They have been spot on. But, Putin was always going to invade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    I think Putin's game of invading Ukraine will result in a stagflationary cycle that will cripple Europe. Once countries in Europe start experiencing unrest and protests over rising prices and un sustainable living conditions this could cause a brexit like shift and a breakup of the european union. If this happens that mad man will be lurking in the shadows ready to swoop into western regions. Fertilizer prices and food costs are going to keep soaring as will most commodities, and anyway ECB printed 80% of europe GDP in 2020/2021 and are still pumping equities as we speak even with 5.5% inflation (thats like seeing your house on fire and still throwing petrol on it), so how Christine Largarde thinks that inflation is going away is beyond me. The same woman was adamant it was transitory for 1 1/2 years shows she hasn't a clue, and now she has changed her tune. Sad to think these clowns run Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    They could easily have supplied more modern weapon systems They have clearly showed their willingness to fight and stand up to Russia. France should know we'll what's it's like to be invaded. Europe has left itself down badly once again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,479 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    See a few thousand chech paramilitary forces are heading to ukraine to help out. Wouldn't be big Russian fans them lads plus battle hardened too



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Ukraine is a major exporter of corn to China and the EU

    Ukraine’s military has suspended commercial shipping at its ports after Russian forces invaded the country, an adviser to the Ukrainian president’s chief of staff said, stoking fear of supply disruption from leading grain and oilseeds exporters, reported Reuters.

    Russia earlier ordered the Azov Sea closed to the movement of commercial vessels until further notice, but kept Russian ports in the Black Sea open for navigation, its officials and five grain industry sources said on Thursday.

    Global farm commodities trader Cargill Inc said an ocean vessel it chartered was “hit by a projectile” on the Black Sea, but that the ship remained seaworthy and all crew were safe .

    Ukraine is a major exporter of corn (maize), much of it destined for China and the European Union. It also competes with Russia to supply wheat to major buyers such as Egypt and Turkey.

    Industry estimates currently put Ukraine’s grain exports at about 5 million to 6 million tonnes a month, comprising about 4.5 million tonnes are corn, 1 million tonnes of wheat and a remaining share of mainly barley.

    Main grain export ports include Chornomorsk, Mikolayiv, Odessa, Kherson and Yuzhny.

    Egypt’s state grains buyer cancelled an international purchasing tender for wheat on Thursday amid reports that no offers of either Russian or Ukrainian wheat had been received.

    Russian forces invaded Ukraine on Thursday in a massed assault by land, sea and air, the biggest attack by one state against another in Europe since World War Two.

    “The market is still struggling to get a clear picture of the actual military situation on the ground. The ports in the Azov and Black Sea so far seem not to have been damaged according to the initial shipping agency reports,” one European grain trader said.

    The trader said the market was looking out for any declarations of force majeure, meaning suppliers will not fulfil contractual obligations because of extreme circumstances.

    Shipping group Maersk said on Thursday it had halted all port calls in Ukraine until the end of February and has shut its main office in Odessa on the Black Sea coast because of the conflict.

    Global agricultural commodities trader Bunge Ltd BG.N said Thursday it had shuttered company offices in Ukraine and operations in its Black Sea grains port in Nikolaev, Ukraine, had been suspended. Competitor Archer-Daniels Midland Co said its Ukraine facilities, including an Odessa export terminal, were not operating.

    Russia, the world’s largest wheat exporter, mainly ships its grain from ports in the Black Sea.

    The Azov Sea’s ports are shallower and have less capacity.

    Mariupol, reported to be under attack from Russian forces, one of the biggest Ukrainian ports in the Azov Sea, mainly handles relatively small ships of between 3,000 to 10,000 tonnes deadweight. 

    The Azov Sea ports export wheat, barley and corn to Mediterranean importers including Cyprus, Egypt, Italy, Lebanon and Turkey.

    Another European trader, speaking on condition of anonymity, said such countries would have to seek alternative supplies if the ships were unable to depart in the near future.

    US wheat futures rose to the highest level in nearly a decade as the conflict threatened to disrupt the flow of supplies from the region while European wheat futures climbed to a record peak. 

    Russia and Ukraine account for 29% of global wheat exports, 19% of world maize (corn) exports, and 80% of world sunflower oil exports.

    Russia produced 76 million tonnes of wheat last year and is expected by the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) to export 35 million tonnes in the July-June season, 17% of the global total.

    Russia supplies wheat to all the major global buyers. Turkey and Egypt are the largest importers. 

    Ukraine asked Turkey on Thursday to close the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits to Russian ships, the Ukrainian ambassador to Ankara said. 

    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said he backed Ukraine’s territorial integrity but there was no immediate response to Kyiv’s request. 

    Under the 1936 Montreux Convention, Ankara has control over the straits and can limit the passage of warships in wartime or if threatened.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    This thread was started to be the home of comments on the current conflict. Hopefully, I haven't screwed around too much with the donor thread as the option to copy posts, rather than move them, doesn't seem to exist with this new software.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    War live with social media updates. The sad reality of war.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Looks like it might be an interesting week ahead.

    If the new eu sanctions actually have any teeth, things could get very bad here fast.

    Inflation will surge if anything happens energy supplies.

    What does the eu do then?

    Print lots of money and push us towards a hyperinflation scenario in a bid to hold the economy together or watch the economy entirely disintegrate.



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