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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar



    That's rubbish in my view. Putin has been building up to this moment for many years, he would be going for it now irrespective of who is in the White House. I suspect if Trump was still in situ the sanctions imposed would be substantially inferior than the ones being levied now.

    The reality is that the Russian military reforms unveiled in 2008 took over a decade to implement and the Russian foreign exchange reserves haven't been sufficient until recent times to support a protracted wartime economy. Putin wasn't ready to go to war under Trump. If he was then he probably would have. In fact, it would have been more beneficial given Trump's reluctance to levy sanctions and his unwillingness to provide support to the Ukrainian military.

    I'd imagine Trump's failure to get re-elected actually gave Putin pause for thought as to whether it was wise to undertake the decision that he has just taken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,398 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I know...I have already been corrected twice and responded on the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    For negotiations or a shared future concept to work people have to be prepared to negotiate honestly. That is something Putin doesn't do and he has no problem using the power of Russia aggressively to get what he wants. For the rest of the world, it's things like sanctions until they are forced into a physical response. The only real sanction might be on energy but that hurts everyone else and China could happily take up the slack on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,018 ✭✭✭✭briany


    F*ck the Russian government and anyone either backing them up today or equivocating over this invasion of Ukraine, including the trolls on this board.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Russian stock market suspended again, down 40% today.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭Field east


    The Russian ambasator was on radio saying such things as Russia will not envade Ukraine, the west is getting all upset and highteningtensions , etc ,etc, etc. I other words this is all ‘hot air’ so everybody should relax a bit and cool down. He should now be interviewed again , IMMEDIATELY, and explain what is happening ,. I am sure that he would have no problem as he will respond IN HIS OWN WORDS. Or what about the foreign affairs committee inviting him in to UPDATE us on things

    Also, Russia is a key member of the UN. So why did the UN not put a peace keeping force in place in Ukraine. Did Russia make any effort to apply for such a move to the UN ?

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    the UN will immediately have to review its structure and how it is governed. It’s madness that Russia is currently Charing various committees within the UN ancluding those committees ‘discussing’ the Ukrainian issue

    All of the above BEGGARS BELIEF

    just heard the Ucranian ambassador on morning Ireland and no Russian ambasator. And RTE did not state that it had invited the Russian Ambasator on but he vas ‘ otherwise engaged’ !,,,,!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,591 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    If I hear that ponce Paul Murphy TD going on anymore about "American imperialism " I'll throw up. How anyone votes for that clown who between euro mep pension and td salary is pulling in 3K per week I'll never know!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,632 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I don't really see what else they could have done. A 1960's type showdown with nukes at the ready?

    Invade Russia? And in winter at that ? Napoleon and Hitler both tried.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    A possible invasion of Taiwan could only be mounted in May/June or in October. The straight won't allow an amphibious assault at any other time. Also, it's really unclear if Chinese naval power has the capacity for naval assault. It's leagues more difficult than what Putin is doing (which plays into Russian strengths) - the Taiwanese know which way they're coming and have been prepping for 70 years.

    I'd actually argue that this invasion makes an attempt on Taiwan even less likely. The international community will be appalled by Putin and will automatically concentrate minds on Taiwan, which is arguably an even more geostrategically consequential event should they pull it off.

    An attack on Taiwan will drag Japan, Australia maybe even South Korea into that conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly


    Boris was asked directly about already known Russian donators (10% of Tory funding or something like that) and he refused to answer...

    Starmer is already picking away at that point..

    Will it be the end of him? Hard to tell, it woulf mean political suicide for the Tories to admit it, and lose another leader or even possibly losing powet to Labour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Interesting the way the bot/influence messaging has changed completely now from the Nasty Warmonger NATO and Nazi Ukraine ganging up on poor old frightened Russia that remembers WW2 (see all earlier pages), to Russia and their Army is Strong, Putin Great, there's nothing the Weak West led by eejits can do, Russia/Putin laughs at puny sanctions etc, do you want energy to cost the earth? (last few pages)

    I suppose us nobodies/joe publics in the West must have some agency if its worth someone's time to sow such messages of demoralisation even though we are not the ones who'll be deciding what sanctions actually get put on Russia.

    I hope the bot theory will be tested to destruction (that any sanctions won't matter to Russia) + they'll be cut off like a rotting limb now, whatever the cost. Then Europe can get busy on re-arming like its 1938 again.

    @MFPM the word is "shill" I think. It's more of an americanism though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    I'd also say the Taiwanese military are far ahead of Ukraine in capability, and would present a serious challenge for any foe.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Exactly that the eu had a real chance to stand up and stop this along with nato and what did they do and are doing gave out few sanctions to putins mate , ukraine is burning and it's going to get worse ,and what are we the eu /world doing sweet **** all ,

    Utter cowardice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,399 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Very angry with what's going on today. It's absolutely disgusting and completely pointless.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Putin doesn't Care he's gone completely off reservation ,he's wants the Nazi's gone , a legitimate democratic elected government with a Jewish leader ,

    It's done Ukraine will fall meanwhile Europe leaders are cowering under their blankets this morning , wondering when its their turn to face a Russian onslaught



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Ouch. The Tories have had a known dirty Russian money problem for a long time. Time to drain that little swamp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    You can thank ze greens and ze germans

    Europe led by a bunch of children and now Putin has shown them that there was a real bogeyman to the east



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Live from Kyiv as residents leave





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That SWIFT move wouldn't happen immediately. They'd need a common approach to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Zelenskyy has asked for internarional help to protect ukraines airspace .


    I'd expect European leaders have put their phones on silent





  • "lead to consequences never seen before in history" is an incredible statement to wake up to.

    The world feels a lot less safer, Europe feels a lot smaller.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    And what should they be doing exactly? Threatened aerial responses just up the the ante for someone who would absolutely welcome then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Seems Putins declaration of war speech was recorded 3 days ago, after Metadata was checked.

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    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Congratulations sir\madam. A post of shining moral clarity.


    Every decent person should be expressing exactly the same sentiments today. There should be tens of thousands of decent Irish people protesting outside the Russian embassy in Dublin right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,457 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes remember when the bots were all it's American lies about a full scale invasion.

    That aged well didn't it.

    It's obvious there are certain accounts parroting disinformation onto the thread.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    One of the things worth noting in all of this is just how correct the US intelligence was the whole way through this crisis and how significant that is for the future direction of relations with Russia. The Russian military is evidently seriously compromised and the US likely have strong human and signals intelligence, something which probably infuriates Putin and has him on edge.

    Western leaders might not have wanted to believe the intelligence in the lead up to this invasion, but it does have implications in terms of longer term deterrence of Russian activity and for supporting a potential counter-insurgency that is to follow in Ukraine.



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