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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can assure you you have me mixed up with someone else. I’m aware of that poster too and it’s not me. What was misinformation is now disinformation. Focusing on the person and the character is a cheap deflection. It’s needless, childish and arrogant. It stinks of ‘I have nothing better to say’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭frag420


    How aware of that poster are you? Tell us what you know about that poster?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Anyone taking bets on how long his new social media platform will last?


    Gonna guess 6 months.

    1 month before the first hack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I'm more interested in how many seconds go by before they curtail "freedom of speech" on the platform :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    24 hours to the first hack. They've given warning as to when it'll launch.

    Lasts about 6 weeks. Then, like a miracle, it'll be gone.


    And it'll be gone before there's a published Durham Report.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,981 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Freedom of speech.... unless you say anything negative about Trump or the website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Hard to say. Social Media RELIES on advertising/data-mining. and the broader the pool, the more valuable it is to their customers (Remember the adage: If you get a product for free, YOU are the product. This is especially true for Social Media).

    I know they have a paid platform too but I believe their social media platform is standard Twitter-clone and Freeeeeee!!!!!! (With an eagle in there somewhere).

    So Social Media relies on how valuable the data-mined information is. The broader the demographic, the more valuable it is. By its very nature, this is going to have quite a narrow demographic. Even if a HUGE amount of people sign up for it it will be a narrow field. Business is business, if a company thinks it can use the info, it will buy it. And this is well and good. But if it's already telling them what they already know, then why buy the info.

    If they rely on advertising, many companies may be deterred. May wish to avoid the association. Again, in general, business decision. Companies could give a flying f*ck about politics unless it impacts sales.

    So it's hard to say, they may get 100 million in the first month!!! Some companies WILL pay for this info and advertise if they are: Typically aiming for an older and obviously more conservative demographic,

    I don't agree with hacking the site. This leads to a tit-for-tat situation. The site touts that there will be no censorship (But also, somehow, close content inspection) so there is a more than fair chance that this will descend into another site dedicated to conspiracy theories and hate groups. You can bet it will be monitored closely by intelligence communities, As is every other Social Media platform. But the company will claim that they are being overly scrutinised. I would prefer that their own descent into hate speech would cause the site to fail than any outside wannabe hacker script kiddies DDOSing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I'm not I agree that the broader the pool the more valuable it is. A well defined demographic can be just as valuable to advertisers. Not all advertisers obviously but for a certain group of advertisers it will be golden. expect plenty of advertisements for hunting supplies and cast-iron investment opportunities. trump supporters are not if not gullible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,981 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think I saw somewhere there will also be an optional subscription with additional features. Because even if the money they got from advertisers was more than enough to sustain the site, Trump's always going to stick his hand out for more money anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Yeah, I was originally going to say something similar. More aimed at investments/retirement funds (Free-up-all-that-equity-in-your-house type thing), hunting, firearms, and home security. Churches. The sort of ads you see on all these "Challenge" and "Yesterday" type stations here (Minus the weaponry😀). But it's a known factor. It will be quite static. So there would be an initial interest from these companies but really, is it going to change much as time goes on? Facebook was so valuable for so long because it has a broad demographic and that changes. Attitudes change amongst their userbase. People who signed up for Facebook 10-15 years ago are very different now with different interests and potentially different outlooks on life than they had 15 years ago. And it's this kind of mining that's gold (No pun intended).


    I mean, I don't wish it well and don't believe it will last (Not going to give a timeline as these things can limp on for years. I think myspace is still a thing :) ). It will start with much fanfare. Once you filter out the trump bluster and number-fudging, you will get a real number of 25-50% of the initial claim. I don't wish it well, it will become a cesspit of hate and fearmongering but I would prefer that it eats itself alive and causes its own downfall rather than any external influence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I don't think advertisers will be thinking 10-15 years ahead. they will have a ripe audience now that they will exploit for as long as they can. Which will probably be months at best.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's hard to see it building any kind of stable income stream and that's before you factor in Trumps well established incompetence at running businesses.

    There'll be lots of fanfare when it eventually launches with all the usual suspects breathlessly announcing that they have signed up to it in order to display their fealty - Every one of them will keep their Twitter/Facebook accounts going though as that is where the money is.

    They will post something on Truth Social and then cross post it to the other platforms and all the revenue and interactions will happen over there not on the Trump site.

    I mean , does anyone really think that Liz Harrington or whoever is going to stop cross posting Trumps latest bout of verbal diarrhea to Twitter once Truth Social launches?

    After a short period of time , most will just stop bothering with posting to Truth Social as it simply won't be a factor in generating Revenue for any of them.

    It will limp on only for as long as Trump can milk it for cash - If the SPAC deal/scam they are working on doesn't come through , it will fall away really rapidly.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And speaking of milking things for money.

    It turns out that Trump has been billing his "Save America" PAC for rent for an office they've never used in Trump Tower to the tune of $375k last year -

    Which is more money than the PAC has given to all GOP candidates combined the same time frame.

    The $375,417 Trump spent for the unused office space is more than the $350,500 that his Save America committee donated last year to Republican candidates running for office, which is ostensibly Trump’s purpose for raising money for his committees.

    Make America great indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭Rawr


    This is all assuming they put enough thought and planning into the server-end of things. Given Trump’s record with tech projects (or projects in general) I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole system bricks itself on Day One due them cheaping out on the server (the one server, because I don’t think they’ll have anyone sharp enough to do a multi-server solution) with anything that did work end up being a slow bug-filled mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Tippex


    Let's not forget that mastodon (the underlying platform) only has an IOS app so if you are an android user there is no app for you.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Oh, without doubt.

    I was surmising about the business aspects of it , but you are absolutely correct.

    This will have been built on the absolute cheapest possible platform with the cheapest possible security and redundancy infrastructure.

    I have no doubt that it will be hacked on launch day (along with being utterly swamped with spam and bots of every flavour) and that the most basic of DDOS attacks will take it off line repeatedly.

    All that instability will simply accelerate the exodus of traffic to the mainstream platforms - As I said the boot-lickers will still cross-post to it to show loyalty , but all the money and effort will go on their existing Twitter , Facebook and Instagram accounts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    That is a VERY valid concern. These platforms need a LARGE serverbase and have large and continuous costs. They can often take years to make a profit as initial investment (If done right) is large.

    This is the most likely impact initially. I'd say it is very likely they will crash their own servers (Which they will blame on "hackers" of course). Pretty much guaranteed to meltdown within first day and again within first week. Even without any "attack".

    And if/when it does descend into a hate-speech site it risks being deplatformed from the major services such as AWS (Amazon) or Azure (Microsoft) or GCP (Google) - if they are on them currently.

    If they are hosting themselves, they are looking at tens of millions of dollars a year to really be "enterprise" level. And I can't see their costs being much different if they went to a cloud solution such as AWS/Azure. While initial investment may be less, their DDoS remediation costs could soon eat up that saving. And a smaller cloud/DDoS protection solution may simply refuse to host them due to the impact on their other customers.

    TLDR: As said others have said above, if they cheap out, they will crash and burn even without "libtard hackers"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭francois




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Oh God.....


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    That site...."American Ideals. American Internet" And their client list.... There is so much God-damn FREEDOME there!!!

    I would be very surprised if their host of fox "news" was anything more than some minor services. The Murdoch empire would certainly be big enough and international enough to host their own robust platform.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There are already a bunch of issues being reported.

    Users getting errors when trying to create accounts , others getting an error saying that they were "wait listed for sign-up due to huge demand and popularity" and according to "CEO" Devin Nunes the app won't be fully operational until the end of March - or at least that's the stated goal.

    So , pretty much as most expected - Glitchy , under-spec'd and a half built app.

    It will be interesting to see what comes out about the app now that it can be inspected - I expect it to be rampant with security flaws and all kinds of data protection breaches.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Tippex


    I don't think they are claiming that Fox hosts with them more the fact that they have been featured on those channels.

    There is nothing about pricing etc compared to someone like hivelocity where you can clearly see the options and spin up a machine in minutes. I don't think it would be possible with this crowd (I may be wrong)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    or at least that's the stated goal.

    that is the latest stated goal after previous targets were missed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    You are 100% correct. Can't believe I misread that (Especially as Reuters was mentioned).

    Oh they are going to get HAMMERED. By legitimate traffic hopefully. As I said, I'd rather it fail due to their own hate/mismanagement than external influence so they have nobody to blame but themselves (Not that it would stop them blaming MSM/"Libtards"/"Woke" something or other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    it will give arthursway some content to post here I guess, apart from snips from opinion polls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,094 ✭✭✭OU812


    Love the shade the US Embassy threw by posting photos of recent presidents to celebrate president’s day EXCEPT 45 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Was wondering if they were going to stick to that but it seems that the app is only on iOS so it looks possible. Mastadon or some other open-source base. Open Source agreements only go so far (Non-profit) and if this is based on an Open Source base they will not look kindly on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Didn't Trump boycott Apple products over them not handing over the keys to their encryption a few years back? Looks like Trump and Tim Apple will be friends again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    it is definitely based on Mastodon but of course Trump tried to claim it was all proprietary with the usual hilarious results




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,333 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Didn't Devon Nunes sue a cow on Twitter for making fun of him? I'm sure there'll be freedumb alright as long as you don't say anything mean about fragile Donnie & his snowflake buddies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    He certainly did. the man is a clown. Freedom of speech but not for those who mock him. The new social network will be an echo chamber with anybody critical of trump massively criticised or banned.




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